Just released... New Siskiyou Route version

[dmrick]

It's been a little over 2 months since the last version of the Route was released. Since then we have forested miles and miles of the Route as it travels up and over the Siskiyou Mountains. Also, many new miles of Interstate highway have been added. We think you'll like what you see!

[phydeaux]

Thank you so very much Dale!! Lots of hard work and believe me when I say it's well appreciated!! Thank you!!

[conductorchris]

Thank you, Dale!

[gremlin1812]

G'day Dale, just installed the route (again) and ran one of the forested routes, I have attached the OpenRailslog for you.
Regards
BarrieOpenRailsLog.zip

[uli2]

Thank you so much Dale! I just ran the new explore activity over the summit. The newly forested area there as well as the Cow Creek Canyon area are absolutely convincing with regard to the selection and placement of vegetation. They are among the best I have seen in ORTS in that respect.

Uli

[asteph627]

Barrie
You need to contact Dale directly from his website as he doesn't visit forums much. I think this error about the platform is a Open Rails issue and really doesn't exist.

AJ

[gremlin1812]

G'day AJ, I posted that log as it showed that compared to other routes it was clear, there was virtually nothing out of place and seeing that work on the route has been going on for quite some time it is a credit to the effort being put in.
Regards
Barrie

[crstagg]

G'day AJ, I posted that log as it showed that compared to other routes it was clear, there was virtually nothing out of place and seeing that work on the route has been going on for quite some time it is a credit to the effort being put in.
Regards
Barrie

Try installing it in a real ORTS install instead of one that has MSTS installed.

Open the SISK_WCYD_TP_01_Hints activities in TSRE-CE and notice all the "Broken" listings in the Loose Consists. (FYI "Broken" = missing or file not found.) Same with some of the consists included.

[gremlin1812]

G'day Dale, I regret posting, I just wanted you to see that your work was great and nothing wrong with it, at least it all worked fine for me.
Regards
Barrie

[anlusione]

Hi Dale.

Thank You very much for you good work on the Siskiyou route. I am have this route installed on the Msts Siskiyou with all train.

And burning all files to DVD Safe. And take care you and family. Greetings from Sweden

[crstagg]

To correct things: the errors reported by TSRE-CE are missing items (ENGs and WAGs) in Loose Consists not missing consists.

As to criticizing Goku and his CE for reporting false errors then one must also criticize ConBuilder and Convoi. See below:

ConBuilder error report from testing the SISK_WCYD_TP_01_Hints.act file:
------------ ---------- ------------ ---------- -
[WAGON FILE MISSING or DOES NOT EXIST]
The wagon file UP_BoxCar_50ft_110430_LD.WAG does not exist in the folder
A:\sisk-test\TRAINS\TRAINSET\Boxcars_UP_50ft_Sisk
(ACTIVITY SISK_WCYD_TP_01_Hints.act)
------------ ---------- ------------ ---------- --
[WAGON FILE MISSING or DOES NOT EXIST]
The wagon file RBOX33499_LD.WAG does not exist in the folder
A:\sisk-test\TRAINS\TRAINSET\Boxcars_RBOX_6pack53
(ACTIVITY SISK_WCYD_TP_01_Hints.act)
------------ ---------- ------------ ---------- --
[WAGON FILE MISSING or DOES NOT EXIST]
The wagon file UP_BoxCar_50ft_110390_LD.WAG does not exist in the folder
A:\sisk-test\TRAINS\TRAINSET\Boxcars_UP_50ft_Sisk
(ACTIVITY SISK_WCYD_TP_01_Hints.act)
------------ ---------- ------------ ---------- --
[WAGON FILE MISSING or DOES NOT EXIST]
The wagon file RBOX34526_LD.WAG does not exist in the folder
A:\sisk-test\TRAINS\TRAINSET\Boxcars_RBOX_6pack53
(ACTIVITY SISK_WCYD_TP_01_Hints.act)
------------ ---------- ------------ ---------- --
[WAGON FILE MISSING or DOES NOT EXIST]
The wagon file SP248565_LD.WAG does not exist in the folder
A:\sisk-test\TRAINS\TRAINSET\Boxcars_SP_6pack27
(ACTIVITY SISK_WCYD_TP_01_Hints.act)
------------ ---------- ------------ ---------- --
[WAGON FILE MISSING or DOES NOT EXIST]
The wagon file ABOX51207_LD.WAG does not exist in the folder
A:\sisk-test\TRAINS\TRAINSET\Boxcars_ABOX_6pack61
(ACTIVITY SISK_WCYD_TP_01_Hints.act)
------------ ---------- ------------ ---------- --
[WAGON FILE MISSING or DOES NOT EXIST]
The wagon file TBOX_Boxcar_662527_LD.WAG does not exist in the folder
A:\sisk-test\TRAINS\TRAINSET\Boxcar_TBOX_662527
(ACTIVITY SISK_WCYD_TP_01_Hints.act)
------------ ---------- ------------ ---------- --
[WAGON FILE MISSING or DOES NOT EXIST]
The wagon file Siskurail_Tanker_201144LD.WAG does not exist in the folder
A:\sisk-test\TRAINS\TRAINSET\TankCar_Siskurail
(ACTIVITY SISK_WCYD_TP_01_Hints.act)
------------ ---------- ------------ ---------- --
[WAGON FILE MISSING or DOES NOT EXIST]
The wagon file GATX200749_LD.WAG does not exist in the folder
A:\sisk-test\TRAINS\TRAINSET\TankCars_GATX
(ACTIVITY SISK_WCYD_TP_01_Hints.act)
------------ ---------- ------------ ---------- --
[WAGON FILE MISSING or DOES NOT EXIST]
The wagon file Trin5161CAGX.WAG does not exist in the folder
A:\sisk-test\TRAINS\TRAINSET\US_Covered_Hoppers
(ACTIVITY SISK_WCYD_TP_01_Hints.act)
------------ ---------- ------------ ---------- --
[WAGON FILE MISSING or DOES NOT EXIST]
The wagon file UP_BoxCar_50ft_110382_LD.WAG does not exist in the folder
A:\sisk-test\TRAINS\TRAINSET\Boxcars_UP_50ft_Sisk
(ACTIVITY SISK_WCYD_TP_01_Hints.act)
------------ ---------- ------------ ---------- --
[WAGON FILE MISSING or DOES NOT EXIST]
The wagon file UP_BoxCar_50ft_110426_LD.WAG does not exist in the folder
A:\sisk-test\TRAINS\TRAINSET\Boxcars_UP_50ft_Sisk
(ACTIVITY SISK_WCYD_TP_01_Hints.act)
------------ ---------- ------------ ---------- --
[WAGON FILE MISSING or DOES NOT EXIST]
The wagon file UP_BoxCar_50ft_110408_LD.WAG does not exist in the folder
A:\sisk-test\TRAINS\TRAINSET\Boxcars_UP_50ft_Sisk
(ACTIVITY SISK_WCYD_TP_01_Hints.act)
------------ ---------- ------------ ---------- --
[WAGON FILE MISSING or DOES NOT EXIST]
The wagon file UP_BoxCar_50ft_110397_LD.WAG does not exist in the folder
A:\sisk-test\TRAINS\TRAINSET\Boxcars_UP_50ft_Sisk
(ACTIVITY SISK_WCYD_TP_01_Hints.act)
------------ ---------- ------------ ---------- --
[WAGON FILE MISSING or DOES NOT EXIST]
The wagon file Siskurail_Tanker_201144LD.WAG does not exist in the folder
A:\sisk-test\TRAINS\TRAINSET\TankCar_Siskurail
(ACTIVITY SISK_WCYD_TP_01_Hints.act)
------------ ---------- ------------ ---------- --
[WAGON FILE MISSING or DOES NOT EXIST]
The wagon file Siskurail_Tanker_201527LD.WAG does not exist in the folder
A:\sisk-test\TRAINS\TRAINSET\TankCar_Siskurail
(ACTIVITY SISK_WCYD_TP_01_Hints.act)
------------ ---------- ------------ ---------- --
[WAGON FILE MISSING or DOES NOT EXIST]
The wagon file FBOX_502054_LD.WAG does not exist in the folder
A:\sisk-test\TRAINS\TRAINSET\Boxcar_50ft_Hi-Cube_FBOX
(ACTIVITY SISK_WCYD_TP_01_Hints.act)
------------ ---------- ------------ ---------- --
[WAGON FILE MISSING or DOES NOT EXIST]
The wagon file UP_BoxCar_50ft_110390_MT.WAG does not exist in the folder
A:\sisk-test\TRAINS\TRAINSET\Boxcars_UP_50ft_Sisk
(ACTIVITY SISK_WCYD_TP_01_Hints.act)

Screen Capture from ConBuilder's Loose Consist Editor:
CB-LC.JPG

Screen Capture of Convoi testing the activity:
Sys-Hints.JPG

Both ConBuilder and Convoi report the same items missing that are listed in the Loose Consists in this activity that TSRE-CE reports as missing.

Understand that this is from installing the latest Siskiyou Route version into a folder location as prescribed in section 4.4 of the ORTS Manual and adding nothing more than the stated items that are required for the route, that is ScaleRail and ScaleRoads.

Further testing I have found that: If I install ALL the Engines and Wagons from the 7 Engine Packs and 9 Wagon Packs available for download from http://www./Domain Expired//downloads.php then neither TSRE-CE, ConBuilder or Convoi report missing items in the Loose Consists. The problem is that Dale has neither included them in the installer for the route nor indicated that the other downloads are required.

[asteph627]

Charles,
I have no knowledge of Open Rails Monogame but can only state that all testing of the Siskiyou route was done on on Open Rails version 1.3.1.4328 and not on the Monogame version. As for the Open Rails log that Barrie posted, I have the same error in my log as he does. I brought this to Dale's attention and he explained the cause but my memory is not so good so if you would like an explanation I defer you to Dale's e-mail for an answer. I've watched the diligence he has put into his AI Shunting activities and his manual. He has worked almost constantly to get this new version out despite the constant problems which kept popping up, his only thought was to put out a product that people will appreciate. Dale and I communicate every night about what we think the route needs to be realistic and he is very acceptable to ideas. I asked him one night about a bridge crossing I-5 that there was only about 100 ft of highway on each side of the crossing. I asked if the ends of the highway would be extended or if he had plans to cover the ends with trees. He called me the next night to inform me the highway had been extended 10 miles on each side of the crossing with car spawners now installed.

BTW, I agree with Dale. Are you aware that almost all wagons came from TrainSim.com, and just about all have a README about not altering any of the file without permission from the creator. For example, BOXCAR__50ft_FMC_CombDoor folder as created has "2" underscores between the word BOXCAR and 50FT. Most railfans know this and correct the file to have just 1 underscore. Since Dale does not alter anyone's creations, the activity looks for the original file. If someone wishes to correct the file, you should not criticize Dale, but go to the person who created the file and tell them of their mistake. So any files which have been "corrected" by anyone are going to reflect errors on the Open Rails Log. I know, I corrected files myself only to screw up consists. Also, why would you download a route which give you to many problems? Downloading the route is your preference and if you are unhappy with it, discard it. You seem to be critical every Time a new update is put out. Just my 2 cents worth.

Barrie
Don't regret posting your log as this is the only way Dale and I can observe what other railfans are experiencing. We just ask that you send a PM or e-mail to either of us. As I stated earlier, Dale doesn't visit forums that much and I agree with him there are quite a few people who are here to be critical of others work and not do anything to help or advance routes projects.

[crstagg]

Charles,
I have no knowledge of Open Rails Monogame but can only state that all testing of the Siskiyou route was done on on Open Rails version 1.3.1.4328 and not on the Monogame version. As for the Open Rails log that Barrie posted, I have the same error in my log as he does. I brought this to Dale's attention and he explained the cause but my memory is not so good so if you would like an explanation I defer you to Dale's e-mail for an answer. I've watched the diligence he has put into his AI Shunting activities and his manual. He has worked almost constantly to get this new version out despite the constant problems which kept popping up, his only thought was to put out a product that people will appreciate. Dale and I communicate every night about what we think the route needs to be realistic and he is very acceptable to ideas. I asked him one night about a bridge crossing I-5 that there was only about 100 ft on each side of the crossing. I asked if the ends of the highway would be extended or if he had plans to cover the ends with trees. He called me the next night to inform me the highway had been extended 10 miles on each side of the crossing with car spawners now installed.

BTW, I agree with Dale. Are you aware that almost all wagons came from Train-im.com, and just about all have a README about not altering any of the file without permission from the creator. For example, BOXCAR__50ft_FMC_CombDoor folder as created has "2" underscores between the word BOXCAR and 50FT. Most railfans know this and correct the file to have just 1 underscore. Since Dale does not alter anyone's creations, the activity looks for the original file. If someone wishes to correct the file, you should not criticize Dale, but go to the person who created the file and tell them of their mistake. So any files which have been "corrected" by anyone are going to reflect errors on the Open Rails Log. I know, I corrected files myself only to screw up consists. Also, why would you download a route which give you to many problems? Downloading the route is your preference and if you are unhappy with it, discard it. You seem to be critical every Time a new update is put out. Just my 2 cents worth.

Barrie
Don't regret posting your log as this is the only way Dale and I can observe what other railfans are experiencing. We just ask that you send a PM or e-mail to either of us. As I stated earlier, Dale doesn't visit forums that much and I agree with him there are quite a few people who are here to be critical of others work and not do anything to help or advance routes projects.

Barrie's log is from a different activity. From Barrie's log: Argument = F:\THE SISKIYOU ROUTE\ROUTES\Siskiyou\ACTIVITIES\SISK_ASHO_EX_01.a ct. The activity with the missing consists is the Siskiyou\ACTIVITIES\SISK_WCYD_TP_01_Hints.act file so this has nothing to do with MG version vs OR versions 1.3.1.####.

I get the same results that Barrie gets when I run the SISK_ASHO_EX_01.act in an Install that was created by the MSTS CDs. I do get different results when running the SISK_ASHO_EX_01.act in an install that was not created the MSTS CDs. But I will not discuss that any further as I would be accused of criticizing again.

I am not unhappy with the route. I am just pointing out that either files were not included in the installer or there are other files that are required to be installed beyond ScaleRail and ScaleRoads.

Question: You mention testing. Was testing done on a Train Sim install that was not created by the MSTS CDs? That is an install without the MSTS Global folder files and the MSTS Sound folder files.
Was it done on an Install that only included the installation of the Setup_20210207.exe file and the installation of ScaleRail and ScaleRoads and not on an install which had already had its Trainset folder populated with the 7 ENG Packs and the 9 Wag Packs from Dale's web site?

What I am finding is that for this route to run error free, one MUST install it in a Train Sim install that was created by the MSTS CDs and with the Trains folder populated with all the CON, ENG and WAG packs from http://www./Domain Expired//downloads.php.

Run the Setup_20210207.exe file and point it at a Train Sim install created for ORTS with just the empty Global, Sound, Routes and Trains folders. Then install ScaleRail and ScaleRoads. Now before you add any other add-ons, run the route with OTRS ro ORTS MG
in explore or an activity mode. Then look at the OR Log.txt.

[slipperman]

Hi Charles,
With respect, the download page for the new Siskiyou route contains the following :

After you download and install the Route you will likely want to download ALL of the wagons and consists. You'll find them on the Downloads page.

OK, this is not an instruction but more of a big hint!

Cheers,
Ged

[R. Steele]

The_Scream.jpg Another G@#%#$^$%%D@#%$#$%mn awful TEMPEST-IN-A-TEAPOT.jpg

Dale, keep up the good work you are doing and enjoy yourself, also take heart that the majority of us hunger for good routes, because the majority of us DO NOT have the skills, patience, dedication, and time for research, that it takes to create a route. Also, no matter how hard you and others check the route for errors, some will escape detection ( just check out the payware stuff )...learning how to correct ( or live with imperfections and errors ) is part of this enjoyable hobby. I hope someday you will complete the route to your satisfaction and also to the enjoyment of the community.

**A personal note ( to Dale and others who create our routes and models ) I was trained as an artist ( photography, dye transfer ) got my MA in it, practiced my art, taught photography, and learned how to critique students work. Beneficial, understanding criticism is a learned skill, not all can practice it with insightful sensitivity to both the work & the artist. However, I also learned that when you create for yourself ( which is the most enjoyable method ) you also must know that not everyone will respond in a manner that aligns with your hope and vision of the work...the artist must always be confident of their skills & vision and always be open to thoughtful, considered criticism.