Just released... New Siskiyou Route version

[asteph627]

Charles

To answer your question, everything is tested on a Train Simulator installed from CD's. Anytime there are tests to run anything, any consist, wagon pack, etc is deleted and replaced with the new item. That is Dale's request that anything being replaced must be deleted before installing the new item so as not to have anything corrupt the new item.

The route does run free as the install comes from the 2 CD's and does include all CON, Eng and Wag Packs also Global & Sound folders.

I personally never run an activity in explore mode, but upon running the activity you requested, I am attaching the Open Rails Error Log file for you. The testing was done today at 7:52 PM CST per your request.

AJ

[eric]

Posts have been edited and deleted.

These forums are for discussion, and if something isn't working as expected on a public download, you should want people to bring those issues up.

Charles and Barrie took the time to post about what was flagged as an error, so I'd suggest taking the feedback as it was intended. Reporting a possible consist error isn't the same as saying your work is crappy.

I read it as an opportunity to improve the written instructions or to add the consists and rolling stock to your installer.




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[crstagg]

Charles

To answer your question, everything is tested on a Train Simulator installed from CD's. Anytime there are tests to run anything, any consist, wagon pack, etc is deleted and replaced with the new item. That is Dale's request that anything being replaced must be deleted before installing the new item so as not to have anything corrupt the new item.

The route does run free as the install comes from the 2 CD's and does include all CON, Eng and Wag Packs also Global & Sound folders.

I personally never run an activity in explore mode, but upon running the activity you requested, I am attaching the Open Rails Error Log file for you. The testing was done today at 7:52 PM CST per your request.

AJ

What I suspected. And assuming that Dale created the Installer from an Install that included all CON, Eng and Wag Packs, it is difficult to understand why the Installed route is missing 16 items from loose consists in both of two activities (Hints and NoHints) and four items in Traffic from two activities if a tool was used to create the Installer. I have attached a list of the missing items. Note that a typo was made in creating one of the Traffic consists and an ENG Data line has the wrong folder name.

[asteph627]

Charles
I don't know why you are showing missing consists for activity SISK_WCYD_TP_01_NoHints & SISK_WCYD_TP_01_Hints, Both these activities start of with just 2 SW1200's with no cars. There are numerous loose consists and have been run through your Conbuilder and MSTS_ActMan with -0- Errors. What is the date on these activities? The activitiy SISK_WCYD_TP_01_Hints should have the date of 10/03/2020 and SISK_WCYD_TP_01_NoHints should have a date 08/21/2020.

SISK_TP_5E0M22L_01.con shows a date of 02/03/2021. SISK_ASHI_TP_01.act should also have a date of 02/03/2021. I just ran through both Conbuilder and MSTS_ActMan and both show -0- errors.

SISK_TP_4E0M22L_01.con shows a date of 02/01/2021. SISK_FOGP_GF_01.act should have the date of 09/30/2020. I just ran through both Conbuilder and MSTS_ActMan and both show -0- errors.

I am sending you these current files to load into your route. If these dates do not match what is now in your Activities & Consist folders please delete them from your Activities & Consist folders and install these correct versions in their place.

[crstagg]

Charles
I don't know why you are showing missing consists for activity SISK_WCYD_TP_01_NoHints & SISK_WCYD_TP_01_Hints, Both these activities start of with just 2 SW1200's with no cars. There are numerous loose consists and have been run through your Conbuilder and MSTS_ActMan with -0- Errors. What is the date on these activities? The activitiy SISK_WCYD_TP_01_Hints should have the date of 10/03/2020 and SISK_WCYD_TP_01_NoHints should have a date 08/21/2020.

SISK_TP_5E0M22L_01.con shows a date of 02/03/2021. SISK_ASHI_TP_01.act should also have a date of 02/03/2021. I just ran through both Conbuilder and MSTS_ActMan and both show -0- errors.

SISK_TP_4E0M22L_01.con shows a date of 02/01/2021. SISK_FOGP_GF_01.act should have the date of 09/30/2020. I just ran through both Conbuilder and MSTS_ActMan and both show -0- errors.

I am sending you these current files to load into your route. If these dates do not match what is now in your Activities & Consist folders please delete them from your Activities & Consist folders and install these correct versions in their place.

You are forgetting that your Trainset has all the ENG and WAG packs. My Trainset has just the items installed by the Setup_20210207.rar file.

Hints act js 10/3/2020 also
No Hints is 6/21/2020 also

SISK_TP_5E0M22L_01.con 2/3/3021
ALL OF MY ACT AND CON FILES match the ones you list.

Those files are Missing because the Setup_20210207 installer did not install these Folders into my Trainset:
Boxcars_UP_50ft_Sisk
Boxcars_RBOX_6pack53
Boxcars_SP_6pack27
Boxcars_ABOX_6pack61
Boxcar_TBOX_662527
TankCar_Siskurail
TankCars_GATX
US_Covered_Hoppers
Boxcars_Railbox_1
Boxcar_50ft_Hi-Cube_FBOX
Flatcar_Bulkhead_Stakes_SOU

The Requirements need to run the Route does NOT require all the ENG and WAG packs.

[dmrick]

There is an important message at the end of this post...

Hello Folks... I responded to crstagg's posts on this thread stating that his "checking" software was the problem and not items on the Siskiyou Route. He posted (#11) a long list of what his program listed as missing wagon files. I went through his list one at a time and ALL of the so-called missing wagon files ARE indeed NOT missing.

Then, not satisfied, he again posted (#18) an attached list of "missing items" from the "SISK_WCYD_TP_01_Hints" activity. His list begins with a list of missing loose consists. If you are not aware, in an activity, the "loose consists" are inside the activity's file that that ends with the .act file extension. In this instance that file is... "SISK_WCYD_TP_01_Hints.act" Okay... let's keep an open mind and see if he is right...

First item in his list... (note that the wagon name is first followed by a space and then the folder for that wagon)
UP_BoxCar_50ft_110430_LD Boxcars_UP_50ft_Sisk

Here's a direct copy and paste from the activity file. I have changed the item that he says it is missing to Bold. As you can see, this wagon and folder is not missing.

************************************************** ****************
ActivityObject (
ObjectType ( WagonsList )
Train_Config (
TrainCfg ( ""
Name ( "Loose consist." )
Serial ( 39 )
MaxVelocity ( 0.00000 0.00100 )
NextWagonUID ( 3 )
Durability ( 1.00000 )
Wagon (
WagonData ( UP453683_LD Boxcars_6pack22 )
UiD ( 0 )
)
Wagon (
WagonData ( UP_BoxCar_50ft_110430_LD Boxcars_UP_50ft_Sisk )
************************************************** *****************

Note that I checked and this wagon is inside the listed folder. NOTHING is missing.

I did this with every item in his list. NOTHING was missing.


Now, maybe crstagg is going to claim that this wagon isn't in the original installation of the route...

It states in several places on /Domain Expired/ that you should download all of the consists and wagons, but not all of the engines. If he had downloaded Wagon_Pack_02 as recommended, then he'd not be missing a thing.

I chose NOT to include every engine and every wagon and every consist inside the actual installed route. The reason is simple. This would mean that every time I change something in a consist or wagon or any item inside the route, to get everyone to update these sort of changes would mean that I would have to upload the entire route... Right now that would be 12.5 GB of files just to update some file that might only be a 2 or 3 kilobytes. If I were to upload 12.5 GB onto /Domain Expired/ it would take about 34 hours. Right now it takes about 4 hours to upload the installer. Since this Route is a "Work in progress" I need to be able to make updates on a regular basis, and so I need to be able to make these updates in as short of time as possible.


As long as we are on the subject... Let me try and explain something to you that you may not know. When you are creating an activity and you want to place some wagons on some siding, you can not just place a wagon on that siding, and then another, and another. If you could, none would be attached to one another. Instead you MUST place consists on the siding. When you place a consist (say one named "SY_BCW_MT_2_4.con") on a siding, the editor assigns that set of wagons a name, such as "STATIC-32789" and it records the name and location of the wagon files that were in that consist. This name is what you'll see in your work orders. The consist name is never part of that activity. If you don't believe me, try moving a consist that was used to place a "static consist" on a siding to some place on your desktop. The static consist will still be in the activity and it will still run just fine.

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THIS IS IMPORTANT... I WILL NOT BE POSTING ANY NEW RELEASES ON THIS FORUM.

THIS IS MY LAST VISIT TO THIS FORUM. I BEGAN THIS ROUTE BY HAVING PEOPLE REGISTER WITH AN EMAIL SO THAT I COULD SEND THEM NOTIFICATIONS OF NEW RELEASES... BUT AS USUAL I GOT A LOT OF FLACK FROM PEOPLE NOT WANTING TO LEAVE THEIR EMAIL ADDRESS. DOING AWAY WITH THIS METHOD MEANT I HAD TO POST NEW RELEASES HERE AND ON OTHER FORUMS. FROM NOW ON IF YOU WANT TO KNOW ABOUT NEW RELEASES YOU WILL HAVE TO VISIT THE "NEWS" PAGE ON SISKURAIL.ORG. I WILL NOT CONTINUE TO EXPOSE MYSELF TO THIS SORT OF ABUSE. EVERYTIME I VISIT A FORUM, SOMETHING UPSETS AND DEPRESSES ME. THIS IS MY LAST VISIT TO THIS SITE.
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[eric]

Good luck. I'm sure the conversation will continue with or without Dale.

Nobody "abused" anyone aside from a couple inappropriate comments that were directed at Goku, and those comments were already deleted.

My routes don't come with activities for this exact reason. What one person thinks is clear and simple instructions doesn't always work out that way.

I'd also question the expectation that everyone will have a MSTS installation with default equipment. With ORTS, there's a growing subset of people who will never have that "2 CD" install...

[HookitandBookit]

Really enjoy this route, well put togheter and packaged. Easy to get up and running. Thank you!