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  • slipperman
    3500 Post Veteran



    • May 2010
    • 3787
    • Worksop, UK
    • MSOR

    #121
    Hi Paul,
    Sorry, no it wasn't! I have to repeat - The consist I saw had the tender as the first vehicle, but the loco, which should have been leading, wasn't displayed.
    As I've stated before, I found the reason was that the 9F .eng file was NOT in Unicode format but in what looked like a compressed format. I have not found the cause and have not been able to repeat the occurrence.
    If you have a loco running tender-first, then it, and its tender, must have been 'flipped' in the consist file.

    Cheers,
    Ged

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    • pcohen
      1000 Post Veteran


      • Jul 2007
      • 1294
      • Wrexham North Wales UK

      #122
      I understand what your saying. but the Loco I saw was a Black 9f (most were back then, still in wartime black) with It 's Tender on the front at wellingborough so assumed It was the same one you saw.

      Paul.

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      • slipperman
        3500 Post Veteran



        • May 2010
        • 3787
        • Worksop, UK
        • MSOR

        #123
        Good Afternoon, Paul,
        The 9Fs were built between 1954 and 1960 so wouldn't have been in 'wartime black' although all except the last (92220 Evening Star) were outshopped in BR black freight livery. 92220 was the only one to be given Brunswick Green livery.

        I've checked the Thames Trent consists but cannot find one where the 9F is running tender-first (although I could have missed it!).
        Could it be that what you saw was a Beyer Garratt?

        Cheers,
        Ged

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        • pcohen
          1000 Post Veteran


          • Jul 2007
          • 1294
          • Wrexham North Wales UK

          #124
          Hi Ged.

          The Colour Was only what we called it when I was on the Railway, we actually had a stash of black Paint at our shed in Barnwood.

          back to the Route, this Loco was coming through Wellingborough Station as I arrived.

          Thanks

          Paul.

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          • pcohen
            1000 Post Veteran


            • Jul 2007
            • 1294
            • Wrexham North Wales UK

            #125
            Good Morning everybody.

            I now have Three correct working Routes all without the Aid of XTracks.

            Unfotunately MidEastCoast will not run for me. Pleas find Log File attached.

            Any help with this please

            Thanks

            Paul. OpenRailsLog.zip

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            • slipperman
              3500 Post Veteran



              • May 2010
              • 3787
              • Worksop, UK
              • MSOR

              #126
              Good Afternoon, Paul,
              It appears that a number of the World files in your MidEastCoast installation are faulty or corrupted.
              I suggest that you delete the route completely then re-download a new copy from GitHub - https://github.com/MECoast . Scroll down the page to "Download the zip" and click on it. It will take a while because it's a BIG file so, please, have patience !

              EDIT : Your times may vary, but it just took me 11 minutes to download. I spot-checked some of the World files reported in your log and they appear to be OK. Added the GLOBAL, ROUTES, SOUND and TRAINS folders into an MSTS installation (as you would have done!), allowing overwrites. Ran the "Way We Were" activity up to Doncaster with no problem. In the log, the only warnings of any consequence are that 2 or 3 AI trains could not be placed, presumably because the activity was originally written for MidEast Plus and some paths weren't modified when the activity was rewritten for MidEast Coast..

              Cheers,
              Ged
              Last edited by slipperman; 10-02-2025, 07:46.

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              • pcohen
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                • Jul 2007
                • 1294
                • Wrexham North Wales UK

                #127
                Good afternoon Ged.

                Many thanks for the Help Yet Again

                Paul.

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                • slipperman
                  3500 Post Veteran



                  • May 2010
                  • 3787
                  • Worksop, UK
                  • MSOR

                  #128
                  Hi Paul,
                  You may not have seen the edit I added to my last post after you posted!

                  If, after adding the newly downloaded route to your installation, you still cannot run it, I'm sure it is something you've done, so please retrace your steps and compare them with what I included in my "Edit". Note that adding the MEC GLOBAL folder adds tsection.dat build #38, probably overwriting any version you already had. All the routes you've mentioned will be 'happy' with #38 so there's no need to change it.

                  You may already have a backed up copy of the MidEast Coast route - if so, I suggest you delete it, because it may be corrupted, and replace it with a copy of the new downloaded copy.

                  Cheers,
                  Ged

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                  • pcohen
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                    • Jul 2007
                    • 1294
                    • Wrexham North Wales UK

                    #129
                    Hi Ged, hope you enjoyed your days off.

                    Starting all over again.

                    Thanks

                    Paul.

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                    • slipperman
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                      • May 2010
                      • 3787
                      • Worksop, UK
                      • MSOR

                      #130
                      Good Afternoon, Paul,
                      Thank you, but my 'days off' were for a family funeral at the other end of the country!

                      Yes, I see you've "started over again! With respect, if you keep doing the same things, you'll get the same, or very similar results. You should really try to find out WHY things are not working as they should, then find out HOW that is happening. Is it something you're doing, or, even, not doing?
                      I'm pretty sure most of us have reinstalled MSTS in the past and not had the trouble you've been having!

                      As you're now running Open Rails, you don't NEED to keep installing MSTS. All you need is an installation which ONLY contains the default GLOBAL, ROUTES and SOUND folders and, almost certainly, the default TRAINSET folder in TRAINS because many older soundsets use files from one or more of the default locos' SOUND folders). If you want to run the default routes and their activities, on Open Rails, you'll also need the default CONSISTS in the TRAINS folder.

                      You say that you run activities for a few minutes and then they crash. Is that using MSTS or Open Rails? If it's OR then the problem has nothing to do with MSTS although it might be caused by errors in the route or stock data from MSTS but the Open Rails log will usually show you what the problem is. Again, I have never had any such problems.

                      Cheers,
                      Ged

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                      • pcohen
                        1000 Post Veteran


                        • Jul 2007
                        • 1294
                        • Wrexham North Wales UK

                        #131
                        OK, what am I doing wrong this time please?

                        It can only happen to me!

                        As you all know I have a New MSTS Installation with, at the moment no additions.

                        I have Installed Open Rails 1.6 which Is a new version. But It Is only ofering the option of loading it's own routes and not allowing me
                        to load MSTS which was the normal proceedure in the 1.5 Version.

                        Totally stuck again Ho! Ho! Ho! nothing unusual.

                        And apologies and condolences to Ged for the "Time off Gaf".

                        Any more help or suggestions again please.

                        Many thanks

                        Paul


                        SORRY FOLKS, I have Just Sorted this One!!!

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                        • pcohen
                          1000 Post Veteran


                          • Jul 2007
                          • 1294
                          • Wrexham North Wales UK

                          #132
                          Thought it was to good to be true!

                          Well having run MSTS now with Two Default Routes (not used for Years, to ancient)
                          Settle-Carlisle and St Anton-Innsbruck and Dorset Coast V.6 without any additions added at all.

                          Every thing up to this stage running fine, All routes completed start to end

                          I am now on my to Luton (4 miles away) on the Thames-Trent route V.3 Activity
                          "The Twins to Sheffield"

                          BUT my Next Station Box tells me I am on my way to Wellingborough.

                          Not sure what to do with this?

                          Thanks

                          Paul.

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                          • oper190
                            1000 Post Veteran



                            • May 2010
                            • 1498
                            • Port Charlotte, FL
                            • English
                            • MSOR

                            #133
                            Originally posted by pcohen
                            BUT my Next Station Box tells me I am on my way to Wellingborough.
                            That could be a naming error in the Platform entry in the route. Haven't run that Route to check.

                            Geary
                            Geary "Mr. Hart" Gerhardt - Owner and CEO of Hart Rail Lines, Hart Commuter Railways, and Hart Rail Cars. Also the defunct Hart Electric Transit.
                            Its Your Train Sim World, sim as you please.

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                            • baldwin
                              6000 Post Veteran


                              • Nov 1999
                              • 6358
                              • Chippenham, Wiltshire, UK.
                              • ORTS

                              #134
                              Twins to Sheffield.
                              First station stop is Luton followed by Wellingborough. It is impossible for Wellingborough to show as the next stop if you have not passed Luton.

                              MSTS.
                              Open Rails has never ever allowed you to load and run MSTS. It will load and run MSTS content if the routes are in the selection list.

                              Mervyn
                              Beer is not a matter of life or death, it is much more serious than that.

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                              • pcohen
                                1000 Post Veteran


                                • Jul 2007
                                • 1294
                                • Wrexham North Wales UK

                                #135
                                Hi Mervyn & oprah190, thanks for both of your replies.

                                when approaching Luton (as said 4 Miles away) The next Station box said I had already Arrived & Departed Luton and was on my way to Wellingborough.

                                Since then the Activity finished at Chesterfield! although I was able to Continue to Sheffield (Midland) where It should have finished.

                                This has never happened before having Run the Activity loads of times In the past.

                                No explanation for this whatever?

                                Thanks

                                Paul.

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