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  • slipperman
    3500 Post Veteran



    • May 2010
    • 3787
    • Worksop, UK
    • MSOR

    #31
    Good Morning, Paul,
    Welcome back
    I don't know who your 'reliable source' is but they are wrong!
    If a route specifies that any of the following are required, then you MUST add them to your installation - even if you're running Open Rails :
    NewRoads, ScaleRail, ScaleRoad, UKFS_v3.1.6, XTracks, YTracks 01 & 02.

    You ONLY need SView22 and shapeviewerdds if you want to use Shape Viewer to view shapes. Also, if you use Route_Riter, you'll need Shape Viewer installed.

    To prevent the UKFineScale tracks from 'shimmering' in Open Rails, you need to run utility UKFS-Fix2 on the GLOBAL/SHAPES folder after you've installed UKFS v3.1.6.

    I don't know what you mean by 'etc.etc.etc' so cannot say if you need them, or not, but if a route's readme indicates that a certain add-on is required then it is!

    There's no such route as MidEastCoastPlus. It's either MidEast Plus (the old MSTS route) or MidEast Coast, which is the newer Open Rails route.
    Your log file indicates problems with World files - I suggest that you re-download the route from GitHub - https://github.com/MECoast/MECoast/a...heads/main.zip or, if you've installed the GitHub Desktop app, re-clone it to your installation.
    Personally, I have MidEast Coast in its own installation which makes it easier to update.

    Cheers,
    Ged
    Last edited by slipperman; 09-17-2025, 02:37.

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    • pcohen
      1000 Post Veteran


      • Jul 2007
      • 1294
      • Wrexham North Wales UK

      #32
      Hi Ged, Thanks again.

      Apologies, have Mid East UK 1.4.5 & Mid East Plus on CD

      Will Download a new Version of Mid East Coast.

      thanks

      Paul.
      Last edited by pcohen; 09-17-2025, 04:22.

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      • rdayt
        1000 Post Veteran

        • Nov 2007
        • 1291
        • SW MO
        • ORTS

        #33
        You will still need all of those but the mstspatch.
        They are all of the tracks and roads.
        You don't need shapeviewer unless you want to edit anything. It's not required to run a route in ORTS.

        Randy

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        • pcohen
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          • Jul 2007
          • 1294
          • Wrexham North Wales UK

          #34
          Hi Randy.

          Thanks for that.

          Paul.

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          • pcohen
            1000 Post Veteran


            • Jul 2007
            • 1294
            • Wrexham North Wales UK

            #35
            Hi everybody.

            Well yet again, my MSTS is up and running OK with Six additional Routes running OK.

            But, I am still having an Issue with Changing the Activity "The TWins to Sheffield" from Thames-Trent V.2 to
            Thames-Trent V.3.

            Apart from this everything Is running fine.

            Many thanks for all help.

            Paul.

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            • slipperman
              3500 Post Veteran



              • May 2010
              • 3787
              • Worksop, UK
              • MSOR

              #36
              Good Morning, Paul,
              You need to tell us exactly what issue you're having with the "The Twins to Sheffield" activity in Thames Trent v2 and v3.
              We're not mind-readers or clairvoyants, you know

              If it's because Open Rails crashes or gives some message you don't understand, attaching the log to your post could be very helpful.

              Cheers,
              Ged




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              • pcohen
                1000 Post Veteran


                • Jul 2007
                • 1294
                • Wrexham North Wales UK

                #37
                Hi Ged.

                Originally when Thames - Trent v.3 came out it accepted Activities from Version 2.0 "The Twins to Sheffield". Which I used to Run.

                Somewhere down the line (excuse the pun) something Changed, whether It was updates or OS Changes, I'm not sure, but the Activity no longer worked.

                I have had this Activity working In version 3.0 but don't remember how I changed It.

                Thanks

                Paul

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                • pcohen
                  1000 Post Veteran


                  • Jul 2007
                  • 1294
                  • Wrexham North Wales UK

                  #38
                  Hi everybody, thanks again for the help.

                  Now have this Working by changing the Activity Number.

                  thanks

                  Paul.

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                  • slipperman
                    3500 Post Veteran



                    • May 2010
                    • 3787
                    • Worksop, UK
                    • MSOR

                    #39
                    Hi Paul,
                    Glad you got it sorted!
                    I don't see any extra post so I assume you remembered that you had to change the RouteID !

                    Cheers,
                    Ged

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                    • pcohen
                      1000 Post Veteran


                      • Jul 2007
                      • 1294
                      • Wrexham North Wales UK

                      #40
                      Hi everybody yet again.

                      Well, what do you know, just when I thought I had a near perfect MSTS running, Thames-Trent has let me down again.

                      The Activities and the Rolling stock for the Route are loaded Automatically.

                      However, when running from St. Pancras to Sheffield their are several Headless Goods trains.

                      I assume, given the Time Period/Era these should be Steam Loco's. I have Reinstalled all the Passenger and Goods
                      Activities but still have Headless Goods Trains.

                      Not sure what I can do with this. Any suggestions please?

                      thanks again.


                      Paul.

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                      • slipperman
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                        • May 2010
                        • 3787
                        • Worksop, UK
                        • MSOR

                        #41
                        Hi Paul,
                        Thames-Trent HASN'T let you down!!
                        Are you sure the trains have steam locos? Could they be diesels?
                        The reason I ask is that if the DieselSpecialEffects part of the Effects section (in the .eng file) only contains comments, Open Rails doesn't like it!
                        I'm not sure if this causes a log message, or not.
                        On second thoughts, it may also apply to the complete Effects section in which case, it would apply to steam locos as well!
                        The solution is to remove the Effects section, including its terminating close bracket.

                        When you next see a 'headless train', press F7 and it may show you enough to identify the consist from which you can determine the loco.

                        Cheers,
                        Ged

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                        • pcohen
                          1000 Post Veteran


                          • Jul 2007
                          • 1294
                          • Wrexham North Wales UK

                          #42
                          Thanks Ged.

                          Not 100% sure that their Steam, only guessing because of the Time/Era, they could well be Diesels.

                          Your Pressing F7 sounds like It might be a good Idea and will give it a Try.

                          Thanks

                          Paul.

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                          • pcohen
                            1000 Post Veteran


                            • Jul 2007
                            • 1294
                            • Wrexham North Wales UK

                            #43
                            Hi everybody.

                            I have run this Route from end to end now with no saves Three times with no Issues apart from the ones
                            I am trying to sort out regarding missing Rolling Stock.

                            But now having started the Route again with no changes at all, OpenRailsLog.txt this time the route Is crashing to the Desktop after about Ten Minutes.

                            Hopefully, Log file attached?

                            Many thanks

                            Paul.

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                            • pcohen
                              1000 Post Veteran


                              • Jul 2007
                              • 1294
                              • Wrexham North Wales UK

                              #44
                              Hi everybody, more questions please?

                              This is what I really, really DON'T UNDERSTAND!!!

                              Since Installing a new MSTS I have Installed the following Six Routes:-

                              CAMBRIAN2, DORSET, MERSEY, MidEastCoast, NWCoast and Thames_Trent_Version_3.

                              I have Run Activities In all of them with the following results:-

                              CAMBRIAN2, Tried out, running fine, about half way, but not completed.

                              Dorset Activity "the London and Dorset coast Wanderer" Completed In one go, no saves.

                              Mersey Activity "the Morning Mail" Completed In one go, no saves.

                              North Wales Coast Activity "YnysMonsExpress" Completed In one go, no saves.

                              And here's the Problem:-

                              The Activity "the Twins to Sheffield" in the Thames_Trent_Version_3 Route, I have completed
                              Three Times. Completed In one go, no saves. (At this Stage I have made no changes to the Route
                              or My Computer

                              BUT when I enquired about the trains with missing Steam or Diesel Loco's, I was advised to use the
                              "F7" key (Brilliant Idea by the way, I would never have thought of It) to Identify the missing Loco's

                              Here's the Second Problem.

                              As already said, I have made no changes to the Route or the Activity or my Computer.

                              But when running the Activity again to look for the Missing Stock, for what ever reason it keeps crashing to
                              the Desktop.

                              I have no explanation for this, apart from the fact It's becoming very annoying.

                              Many thanks

                              Paul.

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                              • oper190
                                1000 Post Veteran



                                • May 2010
                                • 1498
                                • Port Charlotte, FL
                                • English
                                • MSOR

                                #45
                                Paul - Reviewed your OpenRails Log - Granted I don't know all the meanings of many of the errors, but what is obvious that most, if not all the problems stem from Thames_Trent_Version_3. I assume that was the route you were running at the time. Your missing engines and other rolling stock are not loaded on your system so will never display, and I don't know where you can get them. Check any readme, or other text files that came with the route that might tell you what rolling stock is required and where to find them.

                                A simple quick fix would be to place Thames_Trent_Version_3 aside, into a new separate folder so it's not found, or uninstall it, and see how the other routes then run.

                                Were any other add-ons installed recently, before the problems occurred?

                                Geary
                                Last edited by oper190; 09-20-2025, 07:25.
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