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  • chilla
    Senior Member

    • Nov 2005
    • 564
    • Florida

    #1

    BNSF Seligman.

    Just trying to find out if there is a older version of BNSF Seligman that didn't require having open rails and if so is there a way to be able to get it?
  • Darkhorse427
    Senior Member


    • Mar 2012
    • 284
    • Eugene Or.
    • ORTS

    #2
    There was a MSTS version of the BNSF Seligman v2.0 route available from Streamlines / Train Simulations, but that was several years ago when the were transitioning from Streamlines to Train Simulations and moving their focus to just Open Rails products. I do not think that it is available from them anymore. I own a copy of it only because I selected the wrong one when both were available, and then purchased the OR only version the next day.

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    • chilla
      Senior Member

      • Nov 2005
      • 564
      • Florida

      #3
      I have the open rails version but I am wanting to get the older version is that possible without it being looked at as piracy?

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      • oper190
        1000 Post Veteran



        • May 2010
        • 1498
        • Port Charlotte, FL
        • English
        • MSOR

        #4
        There is a freeware MSTS ATSF Seligman Sub Route in the file library that covers both the old and new trackage. A six-part download plus an update download as well.

        Geary "Mr. Hart" Gerhardt - Owner and CEO of Hart Rail Lines, Hart Commuter Railways, and Hart Rail Cars. Also the defunct Hart Electric Transit.
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        • eric
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          • Dec 2002
          • 9583
          • NS MP245.4 CNO&TP South District
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          • General

          #5
          That's Bob Wirth's version. File 65779 and currently set up as a bundle for all six parts.
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          • geepster775
            2500 Post Veteran


            • Sep 2006
            • 2846
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            • General

            #6
            The track database changed in between the MSTS version of BNSF Seligman 2 and the ORTS version of BNSF Seligman 2. Some CTC controlled sidings used for overtakes had to be lengthened. The ORTS version was designed for a greater AI train count so traffic could run like streetcars, The slower grain, oil and manifests were often overtaken by intermodal trains, and the ill-designed siding lengths in the MSTS version caused these overtakes to crap out, so hence the rebuilding of sidings with more accurate lengths.

            Also, the loco fleet in the MSTS version was comprised of 2-piece shapes with some bad LOD settings that eliminated everything below the frame at the greater distances. The OR version was redesigned with1 piece loco shapes and total poly counts that exceeded MSTS capabilities.
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            • chilla
              Senior Member

              • Nov 2005
              • 564
              • Florida

              #7
              Well my issue is I'm trying to run one of Bob Pickering's activity packs ( 2015ssub.zip ) and it seems most of the paths are broken and will not let you run the activities on the openrails version of the route.

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              • R. Steele
                3500 Post Veteran

                • Feb 2013
                • 3928
                • known universe
                • ORTS

                #8
                Originally posted by chilla
                nd it seems most of the paths are broken and will not let you run the activities on the openrails version of the route.
                Well, you can use OR trackviewer to repair the paths. For these activities and this route, that should not be too hard. Pick one activity you'd like to run, and start with that one.
                Cheers, Gerry
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                • chilla
                  Senior Member

                  • Nov 2005
                  • 564
                  • Florida

                  #9
                  I'm guessing you have to do that manually I tried and it didn't work for me I guess I will have to try again.

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                  • R. Steele
                    3500 Post Veteran

                    • Feb 2013
                    • 3928
                    • known universe
                    • ORTS

                    #10
                    I'm back --- gal and I have a Sunday bike ride. Let me know a couple of activities you wanted to start with....and I'll post the good paths.
                    I have the whole activity set installed on ver2 - BNSF Seligman, so I must have fixed the paths. Then you can get right to the fun part.
                    Cheers, Gerry
                    "A mind is like a parachute. It doesn't work if it is not open." Frank Zappa
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                    • chilla
                      Senior Member

                      • Nov 2005
                      • 564
                      • Florida

                      #11
                      It doesn't really matter there isn't one in particular pretty much anyone of them since only one of them seemed to even work from that pack.

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                      • chilla
                        Senior Member

                        • Nov 2005
                        • 564
                        • Florida

                        #12
                        Also thank you for the help.

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                        • R. Steele
                          3500 Post Veteran

                          • Feb 2013
                          • 3928
                          • known universe
                          • ORTS

                          #13
                          Originally posted by chilla
                          Also thank you for the help.
                          You are welcome, I'm in the processing of gathering all the paths, will zip and post here...will take a moment or two....😀

                          enjoy >>>> (any problems, PM me. ) >>> 2015_BNSF2_paths.zip
                          Last edited by R. Steele; 01-14-2024, 15:28.
                          Cheers, Gerry
                          "A mind is like a parachute. It doesn't work if it is not open." Frank Zappa
                          It's my railroad and I'll do what I want! Historically accurate attitude of US Railroad Barons.
                          Forever, ridin' drag in railroad knowledge.
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