1974 Amtrak Empire Builder #8 -- No Loose Consists

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  • Don6218
    1500 Post Veteran
    • Jun 2009
    • 1834
    • Oshawa ON

    #1

    1974 Amtrak Empire Builder #8 -- No Loose Consists

    First, Kudos for a Great Activity with lots of Traffic Trains. Trouble is, after hunting and loading all the required rolling stock for this activity, I saw NO Loose Consists in any Yards/Sidings through the whole activity. The traffic trains showed up and were great to see. This was Part one, now I am ready to start part two.
    Just a note, nothing in particular showed up in the OR Log, and the ONLY Consist that I was not able to load was the BLW_ZT Amtrak. I used replacements that I had on hand for the Player Train.
    Any thoughts as to why no "Loose Consists"?
  • amtrak115
    Senior Member

    • Oct 2005
    • 289
    • Parker, TX
    • General

    #2
    Don,

    it appears there are no "loose consists" defined at all in the activity file in the zip file.

    Amtrak115

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    • spoony1999
      Senior Member


      • Aug 2007
      • 309
      • Illinois
      • MSOR

      #3
      I had a handful of loose consists show up for parts 1 & 2 in the “Activity consists” portion of TSRE Activity editor. I haven’t had a chance to run the activity yet though.

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      • daniellouwrens
        1500 Post Veteran

        • Sep 2005
        • 1730
        • Gandangara Estate, Sutherland Shire. N.S.W, Australia.

        #4
        Originally posted by amtrak115
        Don,

        it appears there are no "loose consists" defined at all in the activity file in the zip file.

        Amtrak115
        With OR "Loose consists" are no longer required to be defined in the ACT file.

        I don't know if this is relevant to your question.

        I have run both parts of the Act and did not see any issues.

        Cheers

        Daniel (spoken with not a lot of knowledge)
        Daniel - Sydney (Glad I'm not in Townsville)
        It used to be my favourite place in the world.

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        • crstagg
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          • Nov 1999
          • 4885
          • Huntsville, AL
          • Texan
          • MSOR

          #5
          Originally posted by daniellouwrens
          With OR "Loose consists" are no longer required to be defined in the ACT file.

          ......................

          Cheers

          Daniel (spoken with not a lot of knowledge)
          Daniel,

          I think you have that a bit wrong. Loose Consists in ORTS do not have to be named "Loose Consist" but do need to be defined (contents listed) in ACT files. They can have meaningful names such as "4 Tank cars at Lone Star Oil #3".
          Charles

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          • daniellouwrens
            1500 Post Veteran

            • Sep 2005
            • 1730
            • Gandangara Estate, Sutherland Shire. N.S.W, Australia.

            #6
            Originally posted by crstagg
            Daniel,

            I think you have that a bit wrong. Loose Consists in ORTS do not have to be named "Loose Consist" but do need to be defined (contents listed) in ACT files. They can have meaningful names such as "4 Tank cars at Lone Star Oil #3".
            Thanks Charles

            I live and I learn...

            We appreciate your ongoing support on the forum and with CB issues

            Regards

            Daniel
            Daniel - Sydney (Glad I'm not in Townsville)
            It used to be my favourite place in the world.

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            • Don6218
              1500 Post Veteran
              • Jun 2009
              • 1834
              • Oshawa ON

              #7
              1974 Amtrak Empire Builder #8 -- No Loose Consists 2

              Hello, yes there are loose consists defined in the Activity Section, i have included one for Cle Elum Yard, which never showed while running the activity. I could not find them in TSRE5 CB either.
              New Text Document.zip

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              • crstagg
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                • Nov 1999
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                #8
                Don,
                Post the OR Log.txt file from running the Activity at fails to display the loose consists.
                Charles

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                • wmuzeke
                  Member



                  • Jan 2021
                  • 87
                  • Sacramento, CA
                  • General

                  #9
                  Hi Don. This is my activity so I am particularly curious why the loose consists aren't showing up for you. I count 24 loose consists in part 1 and 19 in part 2. They are listed in the main .act files (not the ones in the OpenRails folders). There are no corresponding .con files for the loose consists so you won't find them in TSRE Consist Builder. If everything is working correctly, when you start part 1, you should see the North Coast Hiawatha parked 2 tracks over to your left at King St. Station and one of the Mount Rainier trains whose headend should be parked next to you abeam your first dome car. The rest of the loose consists are scattered throughout the activity (Argo Yard, Seattle Intermodal, Covington, Lester Yard, etc.) At the very end of part 1, you should see the BN Local with the F-units parked in the distance at East Cle Elum. In part 2, most of the loose consists are at Ellensburg and Cle Elum. If you have installed stock in a differently-named folder than what is in the .act file, then they will not show up. I'm not sure ORTS would show an error in the log for that either. I suggest running the activity through MSTS ActMan - msts_actman_v4-0.zip in the file library - to see if it catches anything. It will tell you if stock is missing from both the .con files and the .act files. Just make sure to check the "Open Rails" box near the top right of the main menu before you run it.

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                  • eric
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                    #10
                    Originally posted by daniellouwrens
                    We appreciate your ongoing support on the forum and with CB issues
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                    • crstagg
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                      • Nov 1999
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                      #11
                      re: ConBuilder and Loose Consists.
                      Do not use ConBuilder to test for the presence of Loose Consists in Activities written for ORTS. As the code in CB searches ACT files for "Loose Consist" to list/edit the contents. If the creator has used a meaningful name they will not be found by CB.
                      Charles

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                      • Don6218
                        1500 Post Veteran
                        • Jun 2009
                        • 1834
                        • Oshawa ON

                        #12
                        Thank you for your response. First, not finding the "Loose Consists" in TSRE5 CB was my fault, second I did run MSTS Act-Man to get all the stock. I am now running Part 2, and so far so good, Various sidings are full of rolling stock and locos. I am going to rerun part 1 when I get a chance, I do not know why nothing showed up in part 1, but I am sure going to try to find an answer.
                        BTW, Great Activity with lots of AI Action! I appreciate your time and effort put into this.

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                        • R. Steele
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                          • Feb 2013
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                          #13
                          Apologies, late to the thread, what route is this for? Can anyone reference a file library file name for me. Unfamiliar with this activity, would like to set it up. I'll start searching for it when I've got the time...just panhandling for a shortcut.
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                          • spoony1999
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                            • Aug 2007
                            • 309
                            • Illinois
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                            #14
                            Originally posted by R. Steele
                            Apologies, late to the thread, what route is this for? Can anyone reference a file library file name for me. Unfamiliar with this activity, would like to set it up. I'll start searching for it when I've got the time...just panhandling for a shortcut.
                            Milwaukee Coast 1st and 2nd Division.


                            “Run Amtrak's Empire Builder on its former route over Stampede Pass in 2 parts using the Milwaukee Road Coast Second and First Subdivision routes.”

                            I think this is the first publicly released Act for both of those Routes.

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                            • Don6218
                              1500 Post Veteran
                              • Jun 2009
                              • 1834
                              • Oshawa ON

                              #15
                              Yes, I think so. All I had in my files for these two routes was for a Test Run.

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