problem with Siskiyou Route Acts Tour 2 and 3

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  • crstagg
    4500 Post Veteran


    • Nov 1999
    • 4885
    • Huntsville, AL
    • Texan
    • MSOR

    #16
    Originally posted by dmrick
    ABSOLUTELY AMAZING!.... I just stumbled onto this thread... and was I ever amazed!... Someone has a problem with the Siskiyou Route and instead of sending me a note (there's links to contacting me all over the site) they come on here and as people who aren't in the "know"...

    Back when I released a version of the route, there were several places along 400 miles of track that had new things that I wanted others to see... so I created a couple of "Tour" activities that were meant as simply, "Come and see the new stuff". They were not (as I had explained) not as permanent activities. They didn't even follow the "naming" guidelines that I insist on dealing with how things are named inside Siskiyou activities.

    I DO NOT support these activities when I release new versions of the Siskiyou Route. That is to say that since it is a work in progress, and since progress infers changes, I am often compelled to make changes to the track. This means that any path that passes over where changes were made will no longer work.

    Perhaps I should make these activities similar to missions in the old "Mission Impossible" episodes on television... with a warning that says, "Good evening Mr. Phelps... should you accept this mission.... (and on and on) and then.... this activity will self destruct in 10 days. Good luck"

    No one... Let me say that again... No one... likes to know that someone is having problems running something that they've created. It is very upsetting... But to not know about a problem until I find it in some post... is EXTREMELY upsetting. Why didn't they think to simply ask me... I mean, after all I'm the one who created the situation???

    Yeah, it's been a bad day...

    Despite that let me say, "Please stay safe... wear a mask... it won't be actually over for many months to come."

    Take care,
    Dale R.
    Dale,

    Your picture indicates that you are old enough to understand that you can't teach an old dog new tricks. And if you continually scold a dog when it does not conform to your desires, it starts hiding from you when you go out in the yard.

    Train Simmers have a bad habit: They post questions, problems, etc. on the forums (particularly this forum) before they think, or before they look in the Help file, or before they read the Manual, or before they look at the ReadMe, and before they email the creator. When I was a member of the ConBuilder Team we considered that part of what the Purchaser was buying was Support so we created a support forum specifically for that purpose. Where did ConBuilder users post problems and questions? Right here or at Elvas Tower or at UK TS. I tried copying their post and creating a post and answer on the ConBuilder Forum then replying to there post that the answer/solution was on the ConBuilder Forum. A few weeks later when the SAME user had a new problem/question where was it posted? Was NOT on the ConBuilder Forum.

    Why does this and other TS forums exist? So we can help each other. If creators have to spend time answering questions or researching why errors occur, that takes time from creating/updating their product. One of my jobs on the ConBuilder Team was to check the forums each day for ConBuilder related posts and respond. This allowed Joe to concentrate on coding the software. So I don't understand why you are upset that Daniel seeked help on the forum.

    Now that we have your attention, lets discuss WHY he had the problem. We determined that he was trying to run two activities with paths that had errors. Those paths had errors probably because they were created with an older version. But WHY were they in the folders for your new version of the route? That was because he installed the new version over the previous version. I know as I did the same thing and I had the same two Activities in my ..\Routes\Siskiyou\Activities folder. I later installed your current version in a "clean" install and then my ..\Routes\Siskiyou\Activities folder did NOT contain those two problem Activities nor were the problem paths installed.

    So was the problem caused by Daniel (and myself) not following the Installation Instructions? Looked in the download file. No ReadMe just an EXE installer. Reran the Installer EXE. No warning to delete old version of the route. Installer pointed to the OLD Windows XP path for MSTS not the path for my MSTS install in my PC's registry file. So I went to the web page where I downloaded to look for Install instructions. At Download the Route (/Domain Expired/) I found
    If you already have the Siskiyou Route installed, please stop and read this... If you have adding things like new activities for the Route that you want to keep, then be sure to save them someplace safe before you install this new version. After you have installed the new version, you can move your items back into the new Route.
    That does not cover Activities/Paths from previous version installs that were not edited and not included in the current install. As we found that the installer did not delete old files that were not in the current version but just overwrote file with the same name and installed new files.

    So your warning should note that Activities and their paths installed by previous versions or created for previous versions may not work with the new version or may need updating.

    I have found other things that are wrong with your Installer but I will address those in an email.
    Charles

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    • daniellouwrens
      1500 Post Veteran

      • Sep 2005
      • 1730
      • Gandangara Estate, Sutherland Shire. N.S.W, Australia.

      #17
      Originally posted by rdayt
      I don't know if you've tried it or not but the Track Viewer that comes with OpenRails has an option to Auto-fix broken paths. It works.
      Since you're going to trash the route anyway why not run it through Track Viewer just for giggles. You've got nothing to lose and everything to gain.
      Hi Randy

      I will give it a try and let you know how it goes.

      Thanks for the idea.

      Cheers

      Daniel
      Daniel - Sydney (Glad I'm not in Townsville)
      It used to be my favourite place in the world.

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      • daniellouwrens
        1500 Post Veteran

        • Sep 2005
        • 1730
        • Gandangara Estate, Sutherland Shire. N.S.W, Australia.

        #18
        Originally posted by daniellouwrens
        Hi Randy

        I will give it a try and let you know how it goes.

        Thanks for the idea.

        Cheers

        Daniel
        That was quick and easy, all paths now fixed.

        Thanks

        Daniel
        Daniel - Sydney (Glad I'm not in Townsville)
        It used to be my favourite place in the world.

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