problem with Siskiyou Route Acts Tour 2 and 3

[daniellouwrens]

Hi

I am getting these errors with the above acts
Here are the errors
Tours 2.JPGTour 3.JPGOpenRailsLog_tours 2.txtOpenRailsLog_tour 3.txt

Please advise what the problem is.

BTW ACTMAN shows no errors found

Thanks

Daniel

[derekmorton]

Hi Daniel,

I can get to the end with MG83.

[daniellouwrens]

Hi Derek

so I see, perhaps there is an OR readme I've missed
that mentions a setting in OR.

I am not running MG, I tried it a while ago but got a bit confused with
updates and uninstalled it.

I may give it another go,

Cheers

Daniel

[crstagg]

Daniel,
Did you even look at the Log files before posting them? They report errors in Paths 2 & 3 respectively. Fix these paths then try to run the activity.

[slipperman]

Hi Daniel,
I have the latest Siskiyou route installed and, although I probably 'can't see the wood for the trees', I don't seem to have any activities named Tour2 or Tour3. Also, it doesn't contain the path mentioned in your OR log.

Could it be that those activities are designed for an earlier version of the route?

Also, I'm a little concerned by your statement that MSTS_ActMan didn't report any problems. If a path really was missing, it should have been reported. Could you give me more details, please (by PM if you prefer)?

Cheers,
Ged

[crstagg]

Hi Daniel,
I have the latest Siskiyou route installed and, although I probably 'can't see the wood for the trees', I don't seem to have any activities named Tour2 or Tour3. Also, it doesn't contain the path mentioned in your OR log.

Could it be that those activities are designed for an earlier version of the route?

Also, I'm a little concerned by your statement that MSTS_ActMan didn't report any problems. If a path really was missing, it should have been reported. Could you give me more details, please (by PM if you prefer)?

Cheers,
Ged

Ged,

The paths are not missing. They have multiple Node errors. See the Log files. Does ActMan test path nodes?

Daniel,
My previous post was from a PC that does not have MSTS/ORTS installed. Now on my other PC. Tried the #2 activity. Get the same error and Log file like you got. Crash occurs just after this error is Logged:
Warning: Invalid path A:\SH-ORTS\ROUTES\Siskiyou\PATHS\SISK_TOUR_02.PAT for AI train : SISK_TOUR_02 ; train not started

I have Siskiyou installed in an install I made for Sherman Hill with a clean install. That is no files from the MSTS, just the main folders before running the Sherman Hill Install then later adding LOTS of UP engines and Rolling stock.

The Acts with errors are SISK_TOUR_02 and SISK_TOUR_03 both dated 5/8/2020 and they came with the latest version of Siskiyou.
By the way the ORTS menu reports SISK_TOUR_01 as "<load error: SISK_TOUR_01>" SISK_TOUR_01 is dated 4/24/2020

I am installing the new version of Siskiyou into another location that never had the old version to test for sure where those ACTs came from. Well It appears I did the same as Daniel. Installing the 2020-12 version over the previous. Thus keeping OLD activity files.
Here are the files that came with the 2020-12-1 version:
Sis-Act-2020-12.JPG
Note there are no SISK_TOUR_0# activities.

So, Daniel you have two choices: Delete the ACTs created for the old version or repair their paths so that they willl work with that new versions.

[daniellouwrens]

Daniel,
Did you even look at the Log files before posting them? They report errors in Paths 2 & 3 respectively. Fix these paths then try to run the activity.

Thanks Charles

I appreciate your very expert input, I did read the log but with my lack of knowledge and time I
have no idea of where to go...

The log files are just a lot of information that I cannot understand.

EG. the error states C:\Jenkins\jobs\Open Rails Testing\workspace\Source\Orts.Simulation\Simulatio n\Simulator.cs:line 1227

I don't have a folder named Jenkins so I am stymied from the start.

I have deleted and reinstalled the Route files which includes the Acts and Rolling stock twice (at least)
to no avail.

Regards

Daniel

[crstagg]

Thanks Charles

I appreciate your very expert input, I did read the log but with my lack of knowledge and time I
have no idea of where to go...

The log files are just a lot of information that I cannot understand.

EG. the error states C:\Jenkins\jobs\Open Rails Testing\workspace\Source\Orts.Simulation\Simulatio n\Simulator.cs:line 1227

I don't have a folder named Jenkins so I am stymied from the start.

I have deleted and reinstalled the Route files which includes the Acts and Rolling stock twice (at least)
to no avail.

Regards

Daniel

Daniel,

These are the lines in the log that you need to pay attention to:
Warning: Cannot find main track for node 24 in path A:\SH-ORTS\ROUTES\Siskiyou\PATHS\SISK_TOUR_02.PAT
Warning: Cannot find main track for node 25 in path A:\SH-ORTS\ROUTES\Siskiyou\PATHS\SISK_TOUR_02.PAT
Warning: Cannot find main track for node 26 in path A:\SH-ORTS\ROUTES\Siskiyou\PATHS\SISK_TOUR_02.PAT
Warning: Cannot find main track for node 27 in path A:\SH-ORTS\ROUTES\Siskiyou\PATHS\SISK_TOUR_02.PAT
Warning: Invalid path A:\SH-ORTS\ROUTES\Siskiyou\PATHS\SISK_TOUR_02.PAT for AI train : SISK_TOUR_02 ; train not started

Those tell you that the SISK_TOUR_02.PAT has Errors.

The REASON is you installed the 2020-12-01 update on top of the older version. Those activities were created using the older version and will NOT work with the new version.

The lines you quote are for the developers not for the users.

[daniellouwrens]

Thanks Charles

This time I used a clean install and got a similar error.

I'll spend the next couple of days working it out...

And posting back.

Bearing in mind that Derek got it it to work.

Regards

Daniel

[derekmorton]

Did you delete the folder before reinstall?
I almost seems like the path files are not being overwrittem.

[crstagg]

Did you delete the folder before reinstall?
I almost seems like the path files are not being overwrittem.

Derek,
The PAT files SISK_TOUR_01.PAT, SISK_TOUR_02.PAT, & SISK_TOUR_03.PAT are not in the 2020-12 version.

[daniellouwrens]

Derek,
The PAT files SISK_TOUR_01.PAT, SISK_TOUR_02.PAT, & SISK_TOUR_03.PAT are not in the 2020-12 version.

Hi Derek and Charles

On the first install of 2020-12 and the one that gave the problem, I did not delete the
Siskiyou route folder, when I reinstalled I deleted the route folder and the
problem Acts were not there.

On the Siskiyou site is says the latest update is required to run the Acts but I guess
that is for Dale to sort out (on my install Tour 1 works).

I want to keep the Tour 1, 2, 3 Acts so I will reinstall the version prior to 2020-12
and that gets me over the problem. ( I have the files)

I would love to keep the latest version with the three tour Acts but fixing Paths is
WAY above my pay grade.

Thanks for your help, I really appreciate your support.

Regards

Daniel

[rdayt]

I don't know if you've tried it or not but the Track Viewer that comes with OpenRails has an option to Auto-fix broken paths. It works.
Since you're going to trash the route anyway why not run it through Track Viewer just for giggles. You've got nothing to lose and everything to gain.

[dmrick]

ABSOLUTELY AMAZING!.... I just stumbled onto this thread... and was I ever amazed!... Someone has a problem with the Siskiyou Route and instead of sending me a note (there's links to contacting me all over the site) they come on here and as people who aren't in the "know"...

Back when I released a version of the route, there were several places along 400 miles of track that had new things that I wanted others to see... so I created a couple of "Tour" activities that were meant as simply, "Come and see the new stuff". They were not (as I had explained) not as permanent activities. They didn't even follow the "naming" guidelines that I insist on dealing with how things are named inside Siskiyou activities.

I DO NOT support these activities when I release new versions of the Siskiyou Route. That is to say that since it is a work in progress, and since progress infers changes, I am often compelled to make changes to the track. This means that any path that passes over where changes were made will no longer work.

Perhaps I should make these activities similar to missions in the old "Mission Impossible" episodes on television... with a warning that says, "Good evening Mr. Phelps... should you accept this mission.... (and on and on) and then.... this activity will self destruct in 10 days. Good luck"

No one... Let me say that again... No one... likes to know that someone is having problems running something that they've created. It is very upsetting... But to not know about a problem until I find it in some post... is EXTREMELY upsetting. Why didn't they think to simply ask me... I mean, after all I'm the one who created the situation???

Yeah, it's been a bad day...

Despite that let me say, "Please stay safe... wear a mask... it won't be actually over for many months to come."

Take care,
Dale R.

[daniellouwrens]

Hi Dale

my apologies for upsetting you, I did not contact you directly because I thought I had done something wrong
or that it was an OR error, then after getting on that path (pardon the pun) I just stayed on it.

Some very knowledgeable people saw issues with what I had done (based on the results I had posted)
and I progressed accordingly, making assumptions on the way.

As I may now have a way to fix the failing paths I will progress along that route, it may require altering
your creation and breaching your copyright, I will double check the Readme.

Do you have a fix or will I progress with what I have been advised?

BTW I love your work and appreciate your input and support and ongoing
improvements and additions.

Regards

Daniel