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  • csx101
    Senior Member
    • Jun 2009
    • 233

    #1

    Greater Toronto Area

    Iam Haveing a Issue with The GTA Route for Open Rails,There are No signals whatsoever showing in the Whole Route,even though the Track Monitor is showing there is.What is the issue.Here is the Screenshot iam talking about.
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  • Vince
    6500 Post Veteran

    • Nov 1999
    • 6961
    • Mohave

    #2
    Signals showing on Track Monitor and shapes missing could be an issue with the route signal shape files and/or textures.
    I'd suggest running Route_Riter [CHECK ROUTE] and on the TSUtils Tab run the [ICHK] test.
    ............Vince ..............
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    On the The Statue of Liberty in New York Harbor there is a Tablet. On it is written:
    "Give me your tired, your poor, your huddled masses yearning to breathe free,
    the wretched refuse of your teeming shore, send these, the homeless, tempest-tossed to me,
    I lift my lamp beside the golden door!"

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    • cn bala
      1000 Post Veteran
      • Jun 2005
      • 1213
      • north of United States

      #3
      Vince -- you will see my zip of GTA.txt that I ran through Route-Riter and not sure what is the problem with this route? Thought you might want to see the errors of this route.
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      • frankoburns
        2000 Post Veteran
        • Sep 2004
        • 2165

        #4
        A LOT of those shapes are XTracks related...Do you have it installed as well as an updated T-section? GTA also requires MSTS BIN...Send a PM to Andy at the support forum..Offer to include a copy of your error report.
        I'm like an old SD9; It Growls, Howls & squeaks...but it will run forever!

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        • csx101
          Senior Member
          • Jun 2009
          • 233

          #5
          Originally posted by Vince
          Signals showing on Track Monitor and shapes missing could be an issue with the route signal shape files and/or textures.
          I'd suggest running Route_Riter [CHECK ROUTE] and on the TSUtils Tab run the [ICHK] test.
          Checked the Route and it said No Errors.After that checked it useing the TSUtils and it said "As No .log file has been created,you can assume that TSUtils did not complete the option you were attempting to run".

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          • roeter
            Senior Member
            • Nov 1999
            • 171
            • Netherlands.

            #6
            This route also has problems with 'spurious world files' - world files which reference track sections and signals etc. which are not included in the tdb.
            These world files are part of an abandoned extention, but the references to signals will corrupt the OR signal database.
            If you run activities, the program will no longer crash but the signal database will still be corrupt, which would explain all the missing signals.

            This is what needs to be removed :

            If you delete the 24 world files that are part of the abandoned Oshawa area, GTA will run fine.
            The world files you delete start at "w-011199+014529.W to "w-011211+014523".

            Regards,
            Rob Roeterdink

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            • Don6218
              1500 Post Veteran
              • Jun 2009
              • 1834
              • Oshawa ON

              #7
              Gta

              The "Track Signals" are all listed in the "(MISC)" grouping in the REF file, if this makes any difference to OR.

              I am running this route and also updating it, but I have had no problems running any of the activities after doing the little tweaks that were mentioned here and elsewhere. It is a nice "working canvas" and begs to be improved. The trackage works great and is reasonably accurate.

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              • csx101
                Senior Member
                • Jun 2009
                • 233

                #8
                Originally posted by Vince
                Could you please post the text file of your TSUtils run?

                OP did in fact get a log of the completed TSUtils run. That means all the [ICHK] test ran albeit with tons of errors.

                That's where all the database errors showed up.
                I must assume you are not correctly running the [ICHK] test if you didn't get a log.

                Accidently selecting then de-selecting a track or road followed by a save can instantly destroy a routes database files.
                This is a payware route and if I bought it I would expect (and demand) a clean run of all the diagnostic tests. The false missing trackshapes excepted.
                regards,
                I Ran GTA In MSTS Just a Minute ago and The signals in question are there.Why isnt it in ORTS Though?

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                • Vince
                  6500 Post Veteran

                  • Nov 1999
                  • 6961
                  • Mohave

                  #9
                  CSX101,
                  Did you read post #6 ??? That explains the problem.
                  Apparently MSTS does not care about having world files with false information but Open Rails does.
                  As the route was sold "For MSTS" ( but not Open Rails) I'd suggest you take this up with who sold you the route.
                  regards,
                  vince
                  Last edited by Vince; 04-14-2015, 12:10.
                  ............Vince ..............
                  ...... Author NECv4 .......
                  .... LIRR BUILD PHOTOS ....
                  ...... Eschew Obsfucation ......

                  On the The Statue of Liberty in New York Harbor there is a Tablet. On it is written:
                  "Give me your tired, your poor, your huddled masses yearning to breathe free,
                  the wretched refuse of your teeming shore, send these, the homeless, tempest-tossed to me,
                  I lift my lamp beside the golden door!"

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                  • ftldave
                    Senior Member
                    • Dec 2008
                    • 448
                    • Bloomington, Indiana

                    #10
                    Originally posted by csx101
                    Why isnt it in ORTS Though?
                    Simpler answer: By design and/or neglect, MSTS would ignore such faults. ORTS does not have such fault tolerance.

                    From the Wiki:

                    Fault tolerance is the property that enables a system to continue operating properly in the event of the failure of (or one or more faults within) some of its components.


                    The "system" in this case is ORTS and the route and the rolling stock and, of course, the computer and OS running that. As many times as we can see "it's not an ORTS problem", there's always going to be expectation that Open Rails will be compatible more often than not.
                    FTLDave

                    "Research is what I'm doing when I don't know what I'm doing." - Wernher von Braun


                    "A software suggestion is not a valid answer to a configuration/troubleshooting question." - Timelmer

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                    • csx101
                      Senior Member
                      • Jun 2009
                      • 233

                      #11
                      Originally posted by Vince
                      CSX101,
                      Did you read post #6 ??? That explains the problem.
                      Apparently MSTS does not care about having world files with false information but Open Rails does.
                      As the route was sold "For MSTS" ( but not Open Rails) I'd suggest you take this up with who sold you the route.
                      regards,
                      vince
                      ok thanks,I Bought it from MLT Like years ago.the thing is Sandpatch shows everything in ORTS,But anyway i will take it up with MLT.

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                      • csx101
                        Senior Member
                        • Jun 2009
                        • 233

                        #12
                        Originally posted by roeter
                        This route also has problems with 'spurious world files' - world files which reference track sections and signals etc. which are not included in the tdb.
                        These world files are part of an abandoned extention, but the references to signals will corrupt the OR signal database.
                        If you run activities, the program will no longer crash but the signal database will still be corrupt, which would explain all the missing signals.

                        This is what needs to be removed :

                        If you delete the 24 world files that are part of the abandoned Oshawa area, GTA will run fine.
                        The world files you delete start at "w-011199+014529.W to "w-011211+014523".

                        Regards,
                        Rob Roeterdink
                        Ok Thanks i will try that.So w-011199-014529 and w-011211-014523?
                        Last edited by csx101; 04-14-2015, 15:04.

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                        • csx101
                          Senior Member
                          • Jun 2009
                          • 233

                          #13
                          Deleteing those World files roeter said worked.Thanks again for everyones help.

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                          • eolesen
                            9500 Post Veteran and Administrator



                            • Dec 2002
                            • 9583
                            • NS MP245.4 CNO&TP South District
                            • English, SQL
                            • General

                            #14
                            Originally posted by ftldave
                            Simpler answer: By design and/or neglect, MSTS would ignore such faults. ORTS does not have such fault tolerance.

                            From the Wiki:

                            Fault tolerance is the property that enables a system to continue operating properly in the event of the failure of (or one or more faults within) some of its components.


                            The "system" in this case is ORTS and the route and the rolling stock and, of course, the computer and OS running that. As many times as we can see "it's not an ORTS problem", there's always going to be expectation that Open Rails will be compatible more often than not.
                            Perhaps, but it took deliberate acts on the part of MLT to release a route with that many tiles *not* in the TDB. It's like they added an old TDB into the route after adding in a bunch of track. That's not what I'd call a valid use case to design for.
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                            • Don6218
                              1500 Post Veteran
                              • Jun 2009
                              • 1834
                              • Oshawa ON

                              #15
                              Reguardless of the "built-in" faults that the MLT GTA & GTA-Oshawa may have, the route is just begging to be built upon.

                              I have a WIN7, i5 650 @ 3.2GHz, 12.0gb RAM & running MSTS on a SSD by itself. I have no trouble running both GTA routes after the modifications suggested here and elsewhere. In fact I know of a few that have also done updating and improving on both of these routes. I am currently working on the area around the Scarborough GO Station.

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