Greater Toronto Area

[csx101]

Iam Haveing a Issue with The GTA Route for Open Rails,There are No signals whatsoever showing in the Whole Route,even though the Track Monitor is showing there is.What is the issue.Here is the Screenshot iam talking about.

[Vince]

Signals showing on Track Monitor and shapes missing could be an issue with the route signal shape files and/or textures.
I'd suggest running Route_Riter [CHECK ROUTE] and on the TSUtils Tab run the [ICHK] test.

[cn bala]

Vince -- you will see my zip of GTA.txt that I ran through Route-Riter and not sure what is the problem with this route? Thought you might want to see the errors of this route.

[frankoburns]

A LOT of those shapes are XTracks related...Do you have it installed as well as an updated T-section? GTA also requires MSTS BIN...Send a PM to Andy at the support forum..Offer to include a copy of your error report.

[csx101]

Signals showing on Track Monitor and shapes missing could be an issue with the route signal shape files and/or textures.
I'd suggest running Route_Riter [CHECK ROUTE] and on the TSUtils Tab run the [ICHK] test.

Checked the Route and it said No Errors.After that checked it useing the TSUtils and it said "As No .log file has been created,you can assume that TSUtils did not complete the option you were attempting to run".

[roeter]

This route also has problems with 'spurious world files' - world files which reference track sections and signals etc. which are not included in the tdb.
These world files are part of an abandoned extention, but the references to signals will corrupt the OR signal database.
If you run activities, the program will no longer crash but the signal database will still be corrupt, which would explain all the missing signals.

This is what needs to be removed :

If you delete the 24 world files that are part of the abandoned Oshawa area, GTA will run fine.
The world files you delete start at "w-011199+014529.W to "w-011211+014523".

Regards,
Rob Roeterdink

[Don6218]

Gta

The "Track Signals" are all listed in the "(MISC)" grouping in the REF file, if this makes any difference to OR.

I am running this route and also updating it, but I have had no problems running any of the activities after doing the little tweaks that were mentioned here and elsewhere. It is a nice "working canvas" and begs to be improved. The trackage works great and is reasonably accurate.

[csx101]

Could you please post the text file of your TSUtils run?

OP did in fact get a log of the completed TSUtils run. That means all the [ICHK] test ran albeit with tons of errors.

That's where all the database errors showed up.
I must assume you are not correctly running the [ICHK] test if you didn't get a log.

Accidently selecting then de-selecting a track or road followed by a save can instantly destroy a routes database files.
This is a payware route and if I bought it I would expect (and demand) a clean run of all the diagnostic tests. The false missing trackshapes excepted.
regards,

I Ran GTA In MSTS Just a Minute ago and The signals in question are there.Why isnt it in ORTS Though?

[Vince]

CSX101,
Did you read post #6 ??? That explains the problem.
Apparently MSTS does not care about having world files with false information but Open Rails does.
As the route was sold "For MSTS" ( but not Open Rails) I'd suggest you take this up with who sold you the route.
regards,
vince

[ftldave]

Why isnt it in ORTS Though?

Simpler answer: By design and/or neglect, MSTS would ignore such faults. ORTS does not have such fault tolerance.

From the Wiki:

Fault tolerance is the property that enables a system to continue operating properly in the event of the failure of (or one or more faults within) some of its components.

The "system" in this case is ORTS and the route and the rolling stock and, of course, the computer and OS running that. As many times as we can see "it's not an ORTS problem", there's always going to be expectation that Open Rails will be compatible more often than not.

[csx101]

CSX101,
Did you read post #6 ??? That explains the problem.
Apparently MSTS does not care about having world files with false information but Open Rails does.
As the route was sold "For MSTS" ( but not Open Rails) I'd suggest you take this up with who sold you the route.
regards,
vince

ok thanks,I Bought it from MLT Like years ago.the thing is Sandpatch shows everything in ORTS,But anyway i will take it up with MLT.

[csx101]

This route also has problems with 'spurious world files' - world files which reference track sections and signals etc. which are not included in the tdb.
These world files are part of an abandoned extention, but the references to signals will corrupt the OR signal database.
If you run activities, the program will no longer crash but the signal database will still be corrupt, which would explain all the missing signals.

This is what needs to be removed :

If you delete the 24 world files that are part of the abandoned Oshawa area, GTA will run fine.
The world files you delete start at "w-011199+014529.W to "w-011211+014523".

Regards,
Rob Roeterdink

Ok Thanks i will try that.So w-011199-014529 and w-011211-014523?

[csx101]

Deleteing those World files roeter said worked.Thanks again for everyones help.

[eric]

Simpler answer: By design and/or neglect, MSTS would ignore such faults. ORTS does not have such fault tolerance.

From the Wiki:

Fault tolerance is the property that enables a system to continue operating properly in the event of the failure of (or one or more faults within) some of its components.

The "system" in this case is ORTS and the route and the rolling stock and, of course, the computer and OS running that. As many times as we can see "it's not an ORTS problem", there's always going to be expectation that Open Rails will be compatible more often than not.

Perhaps, but it took deliberate acts on the part of MLT to release a route with that many tiles *not* in the TDB. It's like they added an old TDB into the route after adding in a bunch of track. That's not what I'd call a valid use case to design for.

[Don6218]

Reguardless of the "built-in" faults that the MLT GTA & GTA-Oshawa may have, the route is just begging to be built upon.

I have a WIN7, i5 650 @ 3.2GHz, 12.0gb RAM & running MSTS on a SSD by itself. I have no trouble running both GTA routes after the modifications suggested here and elsewhere. In fact I know of a few that have also done updating and improving on both of these routes. I am currently working on the area around the Scarborough GO Station.