Stable Version - Open Rails 1.0

[NW 2156]

Otto, the third rail and catenary references are not on the Options page, but are in the RE which was not made clear by NW 2156.

@NW 2156. The option to use overhead or catenary does not generate catenary shapes or third rail shapes. Far I can make out it should only determine if the wire is visible or not, 3rd rail has no overhead collection, OHLE has no 3rd rail collection.

Those trees you link to are just that, animated. Nothing to do with train movement or weather. They were used on the Toddington route before being released.

The option to use the catenary makes the wire visible I guess. But the crappy wire is not something that can be swapped. Just like the dynamic track sections are hard coded.

The third rail option does not make the wire disappear like it should in MSTS. This function has never worked correctly. The dang OHLE should disappear and not even be visible anyplace in the RE when using the conductor rail.

I merely meant I would like to see more animated trees and moving people, scripted track side events, digging, track work, the stuff the first MSTS 2 promised and later was apart of Rail Simulator V1 to some extent.

If you chaps can get the turntables to work and maybe a late model transfer table to work correctly I would switch over to OR and dump MSTS.

Some of the the interesting ideas would be a scripted wreck recovery scene with a crane and derrick car or some such.

I don't know if it would be possible to have animated coal, grain, Icing Platforms, etc???

The D&RGW had a massive rotary dumper that would hold two narrow gauge cars and overturn them into one standard gauge car. Very dirty and dusty, but efficient for it's day and age.

Robert

[crstagg]

Never seen so many GimmmeeePigs in one place. Next you will be wanting a little man in a refrigerator car slinging milk cans out on the loading dock.

[Vince]

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The third rail option does not make the wire disappear like it should in MSTS. This function has never worked correctly. The dang OHLE should disappear and not even be visible anyplace in the RE when using the conductor rail.
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Gee, I hope selecting Third Rail doesn't make catenary "disappear" like you think it should because your thinking on that subject is a bit off base.
There is a large yard (Sunnyside, NY) that has both 11 Kv catenary AND overrunning 650 Vdc third rail on most tracks.
Also Philadelphia terminal area, catenary and 650 Vdc over running third rail.
Metro North is another has catenary and under running 650 Vdc third rail.

regards,

[NW 2156]

Never seen so many GimmmeeePigs in one place. Next you will be wanting a little man in a refrigerator car slinging milk cans out on the loading dock.

Charles, I had one of those years ago. No, I do not want that stupid little lionel type setup. Dang, I still laugh when I think about those animated scenes. My favorite was the cow that stuck his head out across the tracks and would retract when the train went past. The magnetic scrapyard crane was fun too.

The point is MSTS has the hint of the possibility for a working turntable. MSTS 2 from 03 would have shipped with the turntable feature working. Why should OR not offer some of these features?

Robert

[NW 2156]

Gee, I hope selecting Third Rail doesn't make catenary "disappear" like you think it should because your thinking on that subject is a bit off base.
There is a large yard (Sunnyside, NY) that has both 11 Kv catenary AND overrunning 650 Vdc third rail on most tracks.
Also Philadelphia terminal area, catenary and 650 Vdc over running third rail.
Metro North is another has catenary and under running 650 Vdc third rail.

regards,

Vince, I am way off base.

My point is that using the third rail option in MSTS should have generated a hard coded shape along the outside of the tracks while making the catenary invisible. But there should be a option for using both catenary and third rail.

The point I was merely trying to make is the failure of MSTS to work correctly out of the box when it comes to the electrification schemes.

Robert

[baldwin]

The intention of this version 1.0 is not to carry on adding new features that are not present in MSTS. That will come later. The thrust of this thread should be about what does MSTS do that OR currently does not, and what OR does do, is it running right. For the most part, OR is doing the same as MSTS, but better, one or two things are missing ( interactive water troughs for one ).

@Vince
Looking at the route properties in the RE having a distinction between OHLE and 3rd rail as a radio button indicates that one was supposed to have one or the other, not both together. Muddles Kuju thinking there. Should have been a 3 way choice, one, t'other or both together. We have the same situation as you regarding mix of OHLE and 3rd rail in the same location.

[eric]

The point is MSTS has the hint of the possibility for a working turntable. MSTS 2 from 03 would have shipped with the turntable feature working.

Did they ever really get it working?... Everyone who has looked into it has backed away from it.

[OTTODAD]

The intention of this version 1.0 is not to carry on adding new features that are not present in MSTS. That will come later. The thrust of this thread should be about what does MSTS do that OR currently does not.

Well here is something MSTSBin can do and ORTS also could to start with, but can no longer do now !

http://www.otto-wipfel.co.uk/video/msts-activity-change-locos.wmv

[crstagg]

Well here is something MSTSBin can do and ORTS also could to start with, but can no longer do now !

http://www.otto-wipfel.co.uk/video/msts-activity-change-locos.wmv

Then what is the Control + E key stroke for? Have you read the Manual section 7.6.9 "Change Cab - Ctrl+E"?

I just checked it out and it still works.

[R. Steele]

Yes you can couple onto another engine and switch cabs, move away and uncouple as you move away. You just have a different control sequence and it is not done using the train ops window.

You can even make AI trains perform this same function using the new AI Extended shunting options.

[crstagg]

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The point is MSTS has the hint of the possibility for a working turntable. MSTS 2 from 03 would have shipped with the turntable feature working. Why should OR not offer some of these features?

Robert

Just exactly where was this "hint". I'm getting old I don't remember well. Backup your statement with a reference.

[NW 2156]

Kuju left in the main sound folder two wav files for a turntable. These sounds would have no other purpose outside a working clanking turntable.

I do not have the article anymore. But I believe someone on here many moons ago found some interesting tidbits left behind in one of the files in the Global folder.

I do remember one of the tidbits was about a Black 5 4-6-0 steam locomotive.

The default tutorial route was supposed to be a full fledged English route that never made it either.

Back when the first previews of MSTS came about there was shot from the Acela cab and off to the right I believe was a shot of what looked like BNSF coal hoppers that never made it into MSTS either.

If there was not over a million post on here to go throught I could more easily find the discussions from long ago with all this cool stuff.

Also the demise of www.webdottrainsim.com and the MSN MSTS site have taken with them a lot of these tidbits of information and a few rare pictures.

Robert

[ftldave]

Just exactly where was this "hint". I'm getting old I don't remember well. Backup your statement with a reference.

I remember seeing working turntables mentioned when Microsoft had a web site posted by the MSTS 2 developers.

From the Wiki:

Microsoft Train Simulator 2

On May 7, 2003, Microsoft announced that it would be making a sister game of MSTS called Microsoft Train Simulator 2 and it was first demoed to the public at E3 on May 15. Seemingly its main improvements were the addition of people to the game (e.g. passengers waiting at the stations, people operating the new locomotive roster, etc.), more realistic crashes and other accidents, and turntables.

Interesting that there might have been no train-crash censorship in MSTS 2. Who would have thought?

[NW 2156]

I can tell you for a fact the Mark Nelson of 3dtrains still has the E3 Demo MSTS2. Maybe we could talk Mark into devulging what is in MSTS2 and how all this stuff works?

I almost made it to the E3 just for MSTS2 to get a set of the CD's. But at the last minute had to cancel. Damn, I wish I had those demo disk. I could then write up a detailed report on this stuff for the OR team.

Robert

[OTTODAD]

Then what is the Control + E key stroke for? Have you read the Manual section 7.6.9 "Change Cab - Ctrl+E"?
I just checked it out and it still works.

Thanks for pointing that out and in fact uncoupling the player loco after having changed cabs works better in ORTS now than it does in MSTSBin !

If I remember correctly and my old brain also has problems, it used to work like it does in MSTSBin and has been changed since ?