GP30s Compared

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[baldwin]

I think the ORTS status of the Deko geeps is the 3D cab which MSTS does not support. There are several items in an eng file that can be ORTS specific, but they are all prefixed by ORTS as in ORTSadhesion for instance.

[plainsman]

The Columbus GP30 setting you show look about like what I used in my V4.2 files which I didn't upload, the older V4.1 files may be in te library somewhere? The V4.2 values reflect about 2002 knowledge. The DekoSoft file appears to be from an old GP35 file, the assigned values fit a GP35 for power and continuous tractive effort. The MaxCurrent value is too low, and may cause a problem, it may cause the OR file to reduce power too soon? Neither file really reflects the more recent .eng files in use, especially as to braking characteristics. I don't know if OR uses all the old MSTS brake settings anyway?
BTW Baldwin, Matej just posted that the ORTSadhesion line isn't operative now in OR. I wondered why I could not get locomotives to work properly when I adjusted the line.

[kraus]

Dekosoft placed their common files in a separate download file instead of including them with the locomotive installer.

GP30 Pro Common Files

http://www.dekosoft.com/trains/?p=172

I had a similar problem with a locomotive from Jointed Rail where not all of the required files were bundled together.

[eric]

It's covered in the instructions...




You can't hold the vendor responsible for you not reading the instructions...

[plainsman]

Otto, if you have a different path than the expected, installers frequently mess up things like common cab files. You may have to open to a known location and move the files into the correct folder yourself if you have OR and MSTS in a K drive or behind C:\program files (x86)\trainsims\OR.
Don't be too hard on Chip. We are all trying to wrap our heads around the new sim, and the manual is only clear to those who wrote it. There are still lots of things that were not considered in the excitement to write new ways to approach a problem, and I am sure Chip is struggling to get the neat things he wants to show off, compatible with a moving target in other areas. Once we understand what is and isn't working in OR, we can write better files than the ones above, but all will work OK for just watching a pretty model run.

[baldwin]

Hi Bob
I just read that over at Elvas. What I do know is working are the adhesion adjustment sliders on the Experimental page of options. With the settings I use I can certainly generate wheelslip in inclement weather.

[plainsman]

Hi Baldwin,
I know you can play with the sliders and and adjust adhesion in some artistic way, but that totally defeats what I want to be able to do. If I want to be able to instruct and teach someone the difference in a locomotive with an A1A truck and a C truck, or the difference modern autosanding and computer traction control system makes, I can't do that with a default, and I can't do it by saying here now I will move the slider. I need to be able to quantify and replicate values. As it is implemented right now, the program shaves about 30% off the tractive effort of a ES44AC . The only way around that is to make the unit about 30-40% heavier, which then makes other things go very wrong. At this point I am very disappointed in the diesel model, I think the steam model has seen a LOT more work and discussion. I don't argue with Matej's knowledge, but he hasn't been very collaborative in creating a flexible implementation that will model all the things out there, including 1950 DSR 6 4 1500 Baldwins and SD70ACe.

[eric]

Our friend Vince would put a little more bluntly, but RTFM (read the "free" manual??).

Thanks for the link and after downloading it can not unzip it, being asked for a password.

Enough is enough !

Not another word from me on the subject of Dekosoft !

I even included a screenshot above, and it clearly says use the password in your trainset folder.

If you can't follow the written instructions, don't complain.

[baldwin]

Hi Baldwin,
I know you can play with the sliders and and adjust adhesion in some artistic way, but that totally defeats what I want to be able to do. If I want to be able to instruct and teach someone the difference in a locomotive with an A1A truck and a C truck, or the difference modern autosanding and computer traction control system makes, I can't do that with a default, and I can't do it by saying here now I will move the slider. I need to be able to quantify and replicate values. As it is implemented right now, the program shaves about 30% off the tractive effort of a ES44AC . The only way around that is to make the unit about 30-40% heavier, which then makes other things go very wrong. At this point I am very disappointed in the diesel model, I think the steam model has seen a LOT more work and discussion. I don't argue with Matej's knowledge, but he hasn't been very collaborative in creating a flexible implementation that will model all the things out there, including 1950 DSR 6 4 1500 Baldwins and SD70ACe.

I know what it is you want to do, and something like that is needed. I agree that the "sliders" are not the best thing around, but it is all we have. The steam model was developed from the ground up and owes nothing to the original MSTS apart from using some of the parameters. The extant adhesion model does not suit them either. What we need are a total rewrite of the diesel code and the adhesion module, but neither is coming any time soon, unfortunately.

[crstagg]

Thanks for the link and after downloading it can not unzip it, being asked for a password.

Enough is enough !

Not another word from me on the subject of Dekosoft !

From http://www.dekosoft.com/trains/?p=172 reached from Dekosoft main page of http://www.dekosoft.com/trains/ by clicking "GP30 Pro Edition Common Files"

Custom engine and cab view sounds required for the GP30 Pro Edition sets.
GP30 Pro Common Files (v.1.0) 17.9MB

Note: You can find the password for this file in the trainset folder of your installed GP30 Pro set.

If you still cannot find the password Otto, email or PM me and I will send it to you.

[crstagg]

Columbus GP-30 cabview is the Default Kuju Impression of a GP cab. Look at the CLW GP30 Cabview folder it has GP38.cvf dated 2001.

Go to http://www.dpdproductions.com/photos..._radio/127.jpg and see what a GP38 cab really looks like. Not at all what Kuju created.

There is a video tour of a GP30 cab here https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EpxGlAAqL4I

Have you tried the Dekosoft's 3dCabs?

Here they are:





No I'm not crazy. I was responding to this post of Otto's where he was comparing the Cab of the CLW GP-30 to Dekosoft's.

"Thanks, Charles !

I have seen it after installing the Deko GP-30 and wondered what it was for, not being aware then that it was needed to un-zip that update.

In any case, usually not driving locos from inside their cabs, the Dekosoft cabview shows even less of the track ahead than the Columbus version !"

[crstagg]

Test running my 4-GP30+100-wagons+4-GP30 consist and not being a route builder, it would appear that this level crossing can not be set to work properly with trains of varying lengths ?

Other than GP 30s and not even Dekosoft GP 30 as the power on the train what do those 2 pictures have to do with the Subject of the thread?

[crstagg]

Otto,

Check out this video and see how little a Southern RR engineer could see from the cab of a GP30, About half way thru the video the photographer gets in the cab.

[conductorchris]

I have been in the cab of GP30's. Dekosoft has the look about right. Except no engine I've ever been in was anything even halfway as clean! The B&O GP30's I rode had a lighter green interior paint. Not seen in these pictures is the very distinctive lines of the interior ceiling which match the exterior profile.
Christopher