Trains are below ground

[eric]

Can you post a copy of the ORTS logfile? This is the first time in four years I've heard of a problem like this. Terrain is pretty straight forward.

Open up a ticket on the project's bug tracking system, and I'm guessing you'll need to provide a copy of the route for the team to try and replicate the problem.

https://launchpad.net/or

[tomparker]

I have posted the log on the bug tracking system. It was too long to include here. The route is large (321MB). How would I send a copy?

[tomparker]

Part 1 of log

Open Rails is starting...
Argument 0 = -start
Argument 1 = -explorer
Argument 2 = C:\Program Files\Microsoft Games\Train Simulator\ROUTES\MRTM\PATHS\Atoka to Rialto.pat
Argument 3 = C:\Program Files\Microsoft Games\Train Simulator\TRAINS\CONSISTS\10 Geeps.con
Argument 4 = 12:00
Argument 5 = 1
Argument 6 = 0
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Path = C:\Program Files\Microsoft Games\Train Simulator\ROUTES\MRTM\PATHS\Atoka to Rialto.pat
Consist = C:\Program Files\Microsoft Games\Train Simulator\TRAINS\CONSISTS\10 Geeps.con
Time = 12:00
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[tomparker]

Part 2 of log

------------ ---------- ------------ ---------- ------------ ---------- --------
Mode = explorer
Path = C:\Program Files\Microsoft Games\Train Simulator\ROUTES\MRTM\PATHS\Atoka to Rialto.pat
Consist = C:\Program Files\Microsoft Games\Train Simulator\TRAINS\CONSISTS\10 Geeps.con
Time = 12:00
Season = 1
Weather = 0
------------ ---------- ------------ ---------- ------------ ---------- --------
Loading TRK TDB

Warning: Track node 930 pin 0 has invalid link to track node 0 in C:\Program Files\Microsoft Games\Train Simulator\ROUTES\MRTM\Woodstock-Fulton.tdb:line 8358

Warning: Track node 942 pin 0 has invalid link to track node 0 in C:\Program Files\Microsoft Games\Train Simulator\ROUTES\MRTM\Woodstock-Fulton.tdb:line 8464

Warning: Track node 985 pin 0 has invalid link to track node 0 in C:\Program Files\Microsoft Games\Train Simulator\ROUTES\MRTM\Woodstock-Fulton.tdb:line 8865

Warning: Track node 1087 pin 0 has invalid link to track node 0 in C:\Program Files\Microsoft Games\Train Simulator\ROUTES\MRTM\Woodstock-Fulton.tdb:line 9777

Warning: Track node 1098 pin 0 has invalid link to track node 0 in C:\Program Files\Microsoft Games\Train Simulator\ROUTES\MRTM\Woodstock-Fulton.tdb:line 9872

Warning: Track node 1103 pin 0 has invalid link to track node 0 in C:\Program Files\Microsoft Games\Train Simulator\ROUTES\MRTM\Woodstock-Fulton.tdb:line 9913

Warning: Track node 1118 pin 0 has invalid link to track node 0 in C:\Program Files\Microsoft Games\Train Simulator\ROUTES\MRTM\Woodstock-Fulton.tdb:line 10050

Warning: Track node 1122 pin 0 has invalid link to track node 0 in C:\Program Files\Microsoft Games\Train Simulator\ROUTES\MRTM\Woodstock-Fulton.tdb:line 10082

Warning: Track node 1124 pin 0 has invalid link to track node 0 in C:\Program Files\Microsoft Games\Train Simulator\ROUTES\MRTM\Woodstock-Fulton.tdb:line 10100

Warning: Track node 1140 pin 0 has invalid link to track node 0 in C:\Program Files\Microsoft Games\Train Simulator\ROUTES\MRTM\Woodstock-Fulton.tdb:line 10240

Warning: Track node 1159 pin 0 has invalid link to track node 0 in C:\Program Files\Microsoft Games\Train Simulator\ROUTES\MRTM\Woodstock-Fulton.tdb:line 10408

Warning: Track node 1168 pin 0 has invalid link to track node 0 in C:\Program Files\Microsoft Games\Train Simulator\ROUTES\MRTM\Woodstock-Fulton.tdb:line 10489

Warning: Track node 1169 pin 0 has invalid link to track node 0 in C:\Program Files\Microsoft Games\Train Simulator\ROUTES\MRTM\Woodstock-Fulton.tdb:line 10498

Warning: Track node 1180 pin 0 has invalid link to track node 0 in C:\Program Files\Microsoft Games\Train Simulator\ROUTES\MRTM\Woodstock-Fulton.tdb:line 10589

Warning: Track node 1192 pin 0 has invalid link to track node 0 in C:\Program Files\Microsoft Games\Train Simulator\ROUTES\MRTM\Woodstock-Fulton.tdb:line 10691

Warning: Track node 1223 pin 0 has invalid link to track node 0 in C:\Program Files\Microsoft Games\Train Simulator\ROUTES\MRTM\Woodstock-Fulton.tdb:line 10967

Warning: Track node 1262 pin 0 has invalid link to track node 0 in C:\Program Files\Microsoft Games\Train Simulator\ROUTES\MRTM\Woodstock-Fulton.tdb:line 11315

SIGCFG DAT ACT RDB CARSPAWN SIGSCR W(repeats) W(repeats) W(repeats) W(repeats) W(repeats) WWWWWWWWWW

Warning: Ignored invalid track node 930 pin [0,0] link to track node 0

Warning: Ignored invalid track node 942 pin [0,0] link to track node 0

Warning: Ignored invalid track node 985 pin [0,0] link to track node 0

Warning: Ignored invalid track node 1087 pin [0,0] link to track node 0

Warning: Ignored invalid track node 1098 pin [0,0] link to track node 0

Warning: Ignored invalid track node 1103 pin [0,0] link to track node 0

Warning: Ignored invalid track node 1118 pin [0,0] link to track node 0

Warning: Ignored invalid track node 1122 pin [0,0] link to track node 0

Warning: Ignored invalid track node 1124 pin [0,0] link to track node 0

Warning: Ignored invalid track node 1140 pin [0,0] link to track node 0

Warning: Ignored invalid track node 1159 pin [0,0] link to track node 0

Warning: Ignored invalid track node 1168 pin [0,0] link to track node 0

Warning: Ignored invalid track node 1169 pin [0,0] link to track node 0

Warning: Ignored invalid track node 1180 pin [0,0] link to track node 0

Warning: Ignored invalid track node 1192 pin [0,0] link to track node 0

Warning: Ignored invalid track node 1223 pin [0,0] link to track node 0

Warning: Ignored invalid track node 1262 pin [0,0] link to track node 0

Information: Platform split by junction at Millington TN

Warning: Access to the path 'C:\Program Files\Microsoft Games\Train Simulator\ROUTES\MRTM\Woodstock-Fulton.tdb' is denied. Cannot get MD5 check of TDB file, use NA instead but server may not connect you.

ENV SIGCFG TTYPETTTTTTTTWSWWWWSSSSSSSSSS TRP(default)WWWSWSCSCCCCCCSCCC

Information: Game.ReplaceState(GameStateViewer3D) GameStateViewer3D

Loader: Time = 00:00:38.2200672 ms
Loader: Expected = 17,555,176 bytes
Loader: Actual = 17,676,977 bytes
Loader: Difference = 121,801 bytes (0.7 %)

Information: Initialized OpenAL 1.1 ALSOFT 1.15.1; device 'OpenAL Soft' by 'OpenAL Community'

Information: Game.PopState()

[eric]

Thanks, a log file tells a thousand stories... Here are four of them.

1) That's a lot of track errors...

2) You've installed MSTS where just about every tutorial says not to install it.... You may want to create a copy of the directory somewhere outside of "C:\Program Files" because Windows treats that directory path differently...

3) The option "Use MSTS Environments" is still under development. You might want to turn that off for the time being.

4) The FOV setting of 120 is ridiculously high, and may be why things are showing up distorted. Try backing that down to 45 and see if things look more normal.

[tomparker]

I changed the settings for FOV and turned off MSTS enviorments and the distortion is gone. The track errors are probably the result of tracks being added, removed, etc. over the years. I'm going to load ORTS on my laptop and see if I still have the problem. MSTS is not under C:\Program Files there.

[eric]

As long as the route now looks right, it will probably operate just fine with the TDB errors, but it probably should be rebuilt at some point to clean it up.

Glad to hear that it wasn't something catastrophic with the route or a new undocumented error within ORTS. Not sure when environments will be activated, but it is on the to-do list.

[tomparker]

I copied my route and removed all the tiles using the route geometry extractor (except for one tile out in the boondocks) and my route in MSTS is now devoid of any tiles, just all white. The previous landscape still exists in MSOR. Where is MSOR getting the tiles?

[OTTODAD]

Have you considered running the MSTS Route Editor's Advanced Rebuild track database option to report what errors it finds ?

Usually caused by Dynamic tracks no longer being connected properly to other tracks ?

The PRR had many of them having been started using the default Tsection.dat and then changing to use a more up to date version of it and its X-Tracks !

What is the size of your route's Tsection.dat ?

[tomparker]

I have rebuilt the track database several times successfully. Does it generate an error report? The size of Tsection.dat is 51.3. I guess there is a possibility of different versions of X-Tracks, this route was started about ten years ago and has resided on half a dozen computers. My problem is with the terrain, not the track. Would the track database affect the terrain?

[eric]

I copied my route and removed all the tiles using the route geometry extractor (except for one tile out in the boondocks) and my route in MSTS is now devoid of any tiles, just all white. The previous landscape still exists in MSOR. Where is MSOR getting the tiles?

Why on Earth did you remove all the terrain tiles and rebuild the quadtree?...

Terrain comes from the TILES folder.

ORTS uses the .T and the _Y.raw files.

MSTS uses the .T and the _Nraw and _E.raw (they get created when you see the "building terrain buffers" message).

If you rebuild the quad tree, the TILES folder should be wiped clean.

If TILES wasn't wiped clean due to permissions, then my guess is that ORTS doesn't notice the missing quad tree (TD folder), and will display the route just find & dandy as long as it finds the .T and _Y.Raw files it is looking for.

[tomparker]

I removed the tiles because I am trying to figure out why MSTS and ORTS look at the same files and see two different things. MSTS see no tiles ORTS see tiles. Before I removed the tiles MSTS and ORTS saw different tiles. How can this be? Where is ORTS finding tiles when there are no tiles? I'm trying to find answers. There is a Quad tree. It contains one small area that is populated. It is way off the route.

[eric]

The only way I can think of where MSTS and ORTS are going to find different terrain is they're looking at different physical copies of the route.

Have you checked the contents of the TILES directory? Are all the tiles from the section you deleted gone, or did they remain behind?

Are you positive that both MSTS and ORTS are looking at the same route folder?

[OTTODAD]

I have rebuilt the track database several times successfully. Does it generate an error report?

No, it reports errors while running it !

I am referring to the many track errors part-2 of the ORTS error log reports, you have shown in a previous post and am surprised that the MSTS Rebuild function does not complain about them !

This route having been created 10 years ago it will run until changes to it have been made recently, using more up-to-date whatever.

What about associated with tracks whatever, like signals and road level crossings ? Are they below the terrain too ?

If that is the case then TSUtils can raise them and tracks in all parts of a route !

[tomparker]

Problem solved. I repopulated the Quad Tree and now both MSTS and ORTS are showing the same tiles. Lots of relandscaping to do. When I first put this route together I downloaded DEM's from MapMart (I think). Is there still somewhere to download DEM's for free. I haven't fooled with this in a long time and I'm having to go back to school on a lot of it and a lot has changed.

Thanks everybody for their help.