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  • eolesen
    9500 Post Veteran and Administrator



    • Dec 2002
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    #16
    Can you post a copy of the ORTS logfile? This is the first time in four years I've heard of a problem like this. Terrain is pretty straight forward.

    Open up a ticket on the project's bug tracking system, and I'm guessing you'll need to provide a copy of the route for the team to try and replicate the problem.

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    • tomparker
      Member
      • May 2010
      • 21

      #17
      I have posted the log on the bug tracking system. It was too long to include here. The route is large (321MB). How would I send a copy?

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      • tomparker
        Member
        • May 2010
        • 21

        #18
        Part 1 of log

        Open Rails is starting...
        Argument 0 = -start
        Argument 1 = -explorer
        Argument 2 = C:\Program Files\Microsoft Games\Train Simulator\ROUTES\MRTM\PATHS\Atoka to Rialto.pat
        Argument 3 = C:\Program Files\Microsoft Games\Train Simulator\TRAINS\CONSISTS\10 Geeps.con
        Argument 4 = 12:00
        Argument 5 = 1
        Argument 6 = 0
        Version = X2194
        Build = 0.0.5228.32035 (2014-04-25 17:47:50Z)
        Logfile = C:\Users\Tom Parker\Desktop\OpenRailsLog.txt
        ------------ ---------- ------------ ---------- ------------ ---------- --------
        AdhesionMovingAverageFilterSize = 10
        Alerter = False
        AlerterDisableExternal = True
        AvatarURL = http://openrails.org/images/support-logos.jpg
        BrakePipeChargingRate = 21
        BreakCouplers = False
        Cab2DStretch = 0
        CarVibratingLevel = 0
        CurveResistanceSpeedDependent = False
        CurveSpeedDependent = False
        DataLogger = False
        DataLoggerSeparator = comma
        DataLogMisc = False
        DataLogPerformance = True
        DataLogPhysics = False
        DataLogSpeedUnits = route
        DataLogStart = False
        DataLogStationStops = False
        DataLogTrainSpeed = False
        DataLogTSContents = 1, 1, 1, 0, 0, 0, 0, 0, 0, 0, 0, 0
        DataLogTSInterval = 10
        DayAmbientLight = 20
        DistantMountains = False
        DistantMountainsViewingDistance = 40000
        DoubleWire = False
        DynamicShadows = False
        FastFullScreenAltTab = False
        FullScreen = False
        GraduatedRelease = False
        Language =
        LODAlwaysMaximum = False
        LODViewingExtention = False
        Logging = True
        LoggingFilename = OpenRailsLog.txt
        LoggingPath = C:\Users\Tom Parker\Desktop
        Menu_Selection = (user set) C:\Program Files\Microsoft Games\Train Simulator, C:\Program Files\Microsoft Games\Train Simulator\ROUTES\MRTM,
        ModelInstancing = False
        MSTSBINSound = True
        Multiplayer = False
        Multiplayer_Host = 127.0.0.1
        Multiplayer_Port = 30000
        Multiplayer_UpdateInterval = 10
        Multiplayer_User = Tom Parker
        MultiplayerClient = False
        MultiplayerServer = False
        OverrideNonElectrifiedRoutes = False
        PerformanceTuner = False
        PerformanceTunerTarget = 60
        Precipitation = False
        PreferDDSTexture = False
        Profiling = False
        ProfilingFrameCount = 0
        ProfilingTime = 0
        ReplayPauseBeforeEnd = True
        ReplayPauseBeforeEndS = 0
        ScreenshotPath = C:\Users\Tom Parker\Pictures\Open Rails
        ShaderModel = 3
        ShadowAllShapes = False
        ShadowMapBlur = True
        ShadowMapCount = 4
        ShadowMapDistance = 1000
        ShadowMapResolution = 1024
        ShowAvatar = False
        ShowErrorDialogs = True
        SoundDetailLevel = 5
        SoundVolumePercent = 100
        SuperElevationGauge = 1435
        SuperElevationMinLen = 50
        SuppressConfirmations = False
        TrainLights = False
        UseAdvancedAdhesion = True
        UseLargeAddressAware = False
        UseLocationPassingPaths = False
        UseMSTSEnv = (user set) True
        UseSuperElevation = 0
        VerticalSync = False
        ViewDispatcher = False
        ViewingDistance = 2000
        ViewingFOV = (user set) 120
        WindowGlass = False
        WindowPosition_Activity = 50, 50
        WindowPosition_CarOperations = 50, 50
        WindowPosition_Compass = 50, 0
        WindowPosition_ComposeMessage = 50, 50
        WindowPosition_DriverAid = 100, 100
        WindowPosition_Help = 50, 50
        WindowPosition_NextStation = 0, 100
        WindowPosition_Quit = 50, 50
        WindowPosition_Switch = 0, 50
        WindowPosition_TrackMonitor = 100, 0
        WindowPosition_TrainOperations = 50, 50
        WindowSize = (user set) 1920x1200
        Wire = False
        WorldObjectDensity = (user set) 5
        ------------ ---------- ------------ ---------- ------------ ---------- --------
        Mode = explorer
        Path = C:\Program Files\Microsoft Games\Train Simulator\ROUTES\MRTM\PATHS\Atoka to Rialto.pat
        Consist = C:\Program Files\Microsoft Games\Train Simulator\TRAINS\CONSISTS\10 Geeps.con
        Time = 12:00
        Season = 1
        Weather = 0
        ------------ ---------- ------------ ---------- ------------ ---------- --------

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        • tomparker
          Member
          • May 2010
          • 21

          #19
          Part 2 of log

          ------------ ---------- ------------ ---------- ------------ ---------- --------
          Mode = explorer
          Path = C:\Program Files\Microsoft Games\Train Simulator\ROUTES\MRTM\PATHS\Atoka to Rialto.pat
          Consist = C:\Program Files\Microsoft Games\Train Simulator\TRAINS\CONSISTS\10 Geeps.con
          Time = 12:00
          Season = 1
          Weather = 0
          ------------ ---------- ------------ ---------- ------------ ---------- --------
          Loading TRK TDB

          Warning: Track node 930 pin 0 has invalid link to track node 0 in C:\Program Files\Microsoft Games\Train Simulator\ROUTES\MRTM\Woodstock-Fulton.tdb:line 8358

          Warning: Track node 942 pin 0 has invalid link to track node 0 in C:\Program Files\Microsoft Games\Train Simulator\ROUTES\MRTM\Woodstock-Fulton.tdb:line 8464

          Warning: Track node 985 pin 0 has invalid link to track node 0 in C:\Program Files\Microsoft Games\Train Simulator\ROUTES\MRTM\Woodstock-Fulton.tdb:line 8865

          Warning: Track node 1087 pin 0 has invalid link to track node 0 in C:\Program Files\Microsoft Games\Train Simulator\ROUTES\MRTM\Woodstock-Fulton.tdb:line 9777

          Warning: Track node 1098 pin 0 has invalid link to track node 0 in C:\Program Files\Microsoft Games\Train Simulator\ROUTES\MRTM\Woodstock-Fulton.tdb:line 9872

          Warning: Track node 1103 pin 0 has invalid link to track node 0 in C:\Program Files\Microsoft Games\Train Simulator\ROUTES\MRTM\Woodstock-Fulton.tdb:line 9913

          Warning: Track node 1118 pin 0 has invalid link to track node 0 in C:\Program Files\Microsoft Games\Train Simulator\ROUTES\MRTM\Woodstock-Fulton.tdb:line 10050

          Warning: Track node 1122 pin 0 has invalid link to track node 0 in C:\Program Files\Microsoft Games\Train Simulator\ROUTES\MRTM\Woodstock-Fulton.tdb:line 10082

          Warning: Track node 1124 pin 0 has invalid link to track node 0 in C:\Program Files\Microsoft Games\Train Simulator\ROUTES\MRTM\Woodstock-Fulton.tdb:line 10100

          Warning: Track node 1140 pin 0 has invalid link to track node 0 in C:\Program Files\Microsoft Games\Train Simulator\ROUTES\MRTM\Woodstock-Fulton.tdb:line 10240

          Warning: Track node 1159 pin 0 has invalid link to track node 0 in C:\Program Files\Microsoft Games\Train Simulator\ROUTES\MRTM\Woodstock-Fulton.tdb:line 10408

          Warning: Track node 1168 pin 0 has invalid link to track node 0 in C:\Program Files\Microsoft Games\Train Simulator\ROUTES\MRTM\Woodstock-Fulton.tdb:line 10489

          Warning: Track node 1169 pin 0 has invalid link to track node 0 in C:\Program Files\Microsoft Games\Train Simulator\ROUTES\MRTM\Woodstock-Fulton.tdb:line 10498

          Warning: Track node 1180 pin 0 has invalid link to track node 0 in C:\Program Files\Microsoft Games\Train Simulator\ROUTES\MRTM\Woodstock-Fulton.tdb:line 10589

          Warning: Track node 1192 pin 0 has invalid link to track node 0 in C:\Program Files\Microsoft Games\Train Simulator\ROUTES\MRTM\Woodstock-Fulton.tdb:line 10691

          Warning: Track node 1223 pin 0 has invalid link to track node 0 in C:\Program Files\Microsoft Games\Train Simulator\ROUTES\MRTM\Woodstock-Fulton.tdb:line 10967

          Warning: Track node 1262 pin 0 has invalid link to track node 0 in C:\Program Files\Microsoft Games\Train Simulator\ROUTES\MRTM\Woodstock-Fulton.tdb:line 11315

          SIGCFG DAT ACT RDB CARSPAWN SIGSCR W(repeats) W(repeats) W(repeats) W(repeats) W(repeats) WWWWWWWWWW

          Warning: Ignored invalid track node 930 pin [0,0] link to track node 0

          Warning: Ignored invalid track node 942 pin [0,0] link to track node 0

          Warning: Ignored invalid track node 985 pin [0,0] link to track node 0

          Warning: Ignored invalid track node 1087 pin [0,0] link to track node 0

          Warning: Ignored invalid track node 1098 pin [0,0] link to track node 0

          Warning: Ignored invalid track node 1103 pin [0,0] link to track node 0

          Warning: Ignored invalid track node 1118 pin [0,0] link to track node 0

          Warning: Ignored invalid track node 1122 pin [0,0] link to track node 0

          Warning: Ignored invalid track node 1124 pin [0,0] link to track node 0

          Warning: Ignored invalid track node 1140 pin [0,0] link to track node 0

          Warning: Ignored invalid track node 1159 pin [0,0] link to track node 0

          Warning: Ignored invalid track node 1168 pin [0,0] link to track node 0

          Warning: Ignored invalid track node 1169 pin [0,0] link to track node 0

          Warning: Ignored invalid track node 1180 pin [0,0] link to track node 0

          Warning: Ignored invalid track node 1192 pin [0,0] link to track node 0

          Warning: Ignored invalid track node 1223 pin [0,0] link to track node 0

          Warning: Ignored invalid track node 1262 pin [0,0] link to track node 0

          Information: Platform split by junction at Millington TN

          Warning: Access to the path 'C:\Program Files\Microsoft Games\Train Simulator\ROUTES\MRTM\Woodstock-Fulton.tdb' is denied. Cannot get MD5 check of TDB file, use NA instead but server may not connect you.

          ENV SIGCFG TTYPETTTTTTTTWSWWWWSSSSSSSSSS TRP(default)WWWSWSCSCCCCCCSCCC

          Information: Game.ReplaceState(GameStateViewer3D) GameStateViewer3D

          Loader: Time = 00:00:38.2200672 ms
          Loader: Expected = 17,555,176 bytes
          Loader: Actual = 17,676,977 bytes
          Loader: Difference = 121,801 bytes (0.7 %)

          Information: Initialized OpenAL 1.1 ALSOFT 1.15.1; device 'OpenAL Soft' by 'OpenAL Community'

          Information: Game.PopState()

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          • eolesen
            9500 Post Veteran and Administrator



            • Dec 2002
            • 9583
            • NS MP245.4 CNO&TP South District
            • English, SQL
            • General

            #20
            Thanks, a log file tells a thousand stories... Here are four of them.

            1) That's a lot of track errors...

            2) You've installed MSTS where just about every tutorial says not to install it.... You may want to create a copy of the directory somewhere outside of "C:\Program Files" because Windows treats that directory path differently...

            3) The option "Use MSTS Environments" is still under development. You might want to turn that off for the time being.

            4) The FOV setting of 120 is ridiculously high, and may be why things are showing up distorted. Try backing that down to 45 and see if things look more normal.
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            • tomparker
              Member
              • May 2010
              • 21

              #21
              I changed the settings for FOV and turned off MSTS enviorments and the distortion is gone. The track errors are probably the result of tracks being added, removed, etc. over the years. I'm going to load ORTS on my laptop and see if I still have the problem. MSTS is not under C:\Program Files there.

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              • eolesen
                9500 Post Veteran and Administrator



                • Dec 2002
                • 9583
                • NS MP245.4 CNO&TP South District
                • English, SQL
                • General

                #22
                As long as the route now looks right, it will probably operate just fine with the TDB errors, but it probably should be rebuilt at some point to clean it up.

                Glad to hear that it wasn't something catastrophic with the route or a new undocumented error within ORTS. Not sure when environments will be activated, but it is on the to-do list.
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                • tomparker
                  Member
                  • May 2010
                  • 21

                  #23
                  I copied my route and removed all the tiles using the route geometry extractor (except for one tile out in the boondocks) and my route in MSTS is now devoid of any tiles, just all white. The previous landscape still exists in MSOR. Where is MSOR getting the tiles?

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                  • OTTODAD
                    1
                    • Feb 2001
                    • 32344
                    • England
                    • General

                    #24
                    Have you considered running the MSTS Route Editor's Advanced Rebuild track database option to report what errors it finds ?

                    Usually caused by Dynamic tracks no longer being connected properly to other tracks ?

                    The PRR had many of them having been started using the default Tsection.dat and then changing to use a more up to date version of it and its X-Tracks !

                    What is the size of your route's Tsection.dat ?

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                    • tomparker
                      Member
                      • May 2010
                      • 21

                      #25
                      I have rebuilt the track database several times successfully. Does it generate an error report? The size of Tsection.dat is 51.3. I guess there is a possibility of different versions of X-Tracks, this route was started about ten years ago and has resided on half a dozen computers. My problem is with the terrain, not the track. Would the track database affect the terrain?

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                      • eolesen
                        9500 Post Veteran and Administrator



                        • Dec 2002
                        • 9583
                        • NS MP245.4 CNO&TP South District
                        • English, SQL
                        • General

                        #26
                        Originally posted by tomparker
                        I copied my route and removed all the tiles using the route geometry extractor (except for one tile out in the boondocks) and my route in MSTS is now devoid of any tiles, just all white. The previous landscape still exists in MSOR. Where is MSOR getting the tiles?
                        Why on Earth did you remove all the terrain tiles and rebuild the quadtree?...

                        Terrain comes from the TILES folder.

                        ORTS uses the .T and the _Y.raw files.

                        MSTS uses the .T and the _Nraw and _E.raw (they get created when you see the "building terrain buffers" message).

                        If you rebuild the quad tree, the TILES folder should be wiped clean.

                        If TILES wasn't wiped clean due to permissions, then my guess is that ORTS doesn't notice the missing quad tree (TD folder), and will display the route just find & dandy as long as it finds the .T and _Y.Raw files it is looking for.
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                        • tomparker
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                          • May 2010
                          • 21

                          #27
                          I removed the tiles because I am trying to figure out why MSTS and ORTS look at the same files and see two different things. MSTS see no tiles ORTS see tiles. Before I removed the tiles MSTS and ORTS saw different tiles. How can this be? Where is ORTS finding tiles when there are no tiles? I'm trying to find answers. There is a Quad tree. It contains one small area that is populated. It is way off the route.

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                          • eolesen
                            9500 Post Veteran and Administrator



                            • Dec 2002
                            • 9583
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                            • English, SQL
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                            #28
                            The only way I can think of where MSTS and ORTS are going to find different terrain is they're looking at different physical copies of the route.

                            Have you checked the contents of the TILES directory? Are all the tiles from the section you deleted gone, or did they remain behind?

                            Are you positive that both MSTS and ORTS are looking at the same route folder?
                            Last edited by eric; 08-13-2014, 09:47.
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                            • OTTODAD
                              1
                              • Feb 2001
                              • 32344
                              • England
                              • General

                              #29
                              Originally posted by tomparker
                              I have rebuilt the track database several times successfully. Does it generate an error report?
                              No, it reports errors while running it !

                              I am referring to the many track errors part-2 of the ORTS error log reports, you have shown in a previous post and am surprised that the MSTS Rebuild function does not complain about them !

                              This route having been created 10 years ago it will run until changes to it have been made recently, using more up-to-date whatever.

                              What about associated with tracks whatever, like signals and road level crossings ? Are they below the terrain too ?

                              If that is the case then TSUtils can raise them and tracks in all parts of a route !

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                              • tomparker
                                Member
                                • May 2010
                                • 21

                                #30
                                Problem solved. I repopulated the Quad Tree and now both MSTS and ORTS are showing the same tiles. Lots of relandscaping to do. When I first put this route together I downloaded DEM's from MapMart (I think). Is there still somewhere to download DEM's for free. I haven't fooled with this in a long time and I'm having to go back to school on a lot of it and a lot has changed.

                                Thanks everybody for their help.

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