Missing Consists

[wjcurrey]

Nice attitude. Reminds me of Run8 support.

I did not say the Graphic menu interface needed to be fixed. But the non-graphic menu could be modified so that it is like MSTS select route, select Explore, select Loco, and then select consist.

Charles
ConBuilder Beta Tester

Come on Charles, I don't see this as an attitude problem. Remember unlike ConBuilder, and Run8 you are not paying for this support. As I stated, it is a developer resource problem, not that it will never be fixed. If the original developer was still available it probably would not be an issue. The changes you are suggesting, for the non WPF menu, are not just one line edits. If James decides to do that so be it. He however is not gaining any rewards financially, so should be implemented as he see's it, giving his time and priorities. As mentioned there is a work around, yes the lead engine has to be named.

[johnfrum]

Guys,

The correct syntax for a CON file requires that if a folder name and/or a file name contains a space it must be placed within double quotes. I think I see a space in the folder name gordon- 1 between the hyphen and the 1, if so it needs to be in double quotes: "gordon- 1".

Open Rails requires the correct syntax. MSTS is more forgiving of that error (or sloppier, depending on your viewpoint) and it will display the consist anyway.

It's also wrong to put quotes around a file name or folder name that doesn't have any spaces. Same result: MSTS will display the consist, OR will not.

I ran across this issue when using the consist editor in RouteRiter. If it detects a space in either the file name or folder name it puts quotes around both of them and that won't work in Open Rails if one of those names doesn't include a space.

I personally prefer requiring correct syntax in consist files as opposed to letting the program try to figure out what you meant to do (but I can understand that some may disagree).

-JF-

[crstagg]

Guys,

The correct syntax for a CON file requires that if a folder name and/or a file name contains a space it must be placed within double quotes. I think I see a space in the folder name gordon- 1 between the hyphen and the 1, if so it needs to be in double quotes: "gordon- 1".

Open Rails requires the correct syntax. MSTS is more forgiving of that error (or sloppier, depending on your viewpoint) and it will display the consist anyway.

It's also wrong to put quotes around a file name or folder name that doesn't have any spaces. Same result: MSTS will display the consist, OR will not.

I ran across this issue when using the consist editor in RouteRiter. If it detects a space in either the file name or folder name it puts quotes around both of them and that won't work in Open Rails if one of those names doesn't include a space.

I personally prefer requiring correct syntax in consist files as opposed to letting the program try to figure out what you meant to do (but I can understand that some may disagree).

-JF-

Not the problem There is NO space between the - and the 1. The problem is with OR being able to read the Eng file. I used a different ENG file and modified it to be the gordon.eng. OR listed it in the Graphical pulldown ENG list. However your comments give me a place to test. The gordon.eng has quotes on the sound line even though there is no space in the SMS file names. MSTS Specifications required quotes on all sound lines, however, the MSTS coders did not follow the specs and MSTS reads SMS filenames w/o spaces and not enclosed in quotes OK.

[crstagg]

Quotes around SMS filename w/o spaces was not the problem.

[seagoon]

Come on Charles, I don't see this as an attitude problem. Remember unlike ConBuilder, and Run8 you are not paying for this support. .....

That's the crux of the matter, gentlemen. Don't whinge about that for which you are paying nothing and which is being developed as and when team members can take the time to do so.

Bruce

[monon15]

That's the crux of the matter, gentlemen. Don't whinge about that for which you are paying nothing and which is being developed as and when team members can take the time to do so.

Bruce

I am not complaining - just asking what is wrong or going on.

[eric]

Perhaps a related issue.... When doing a free-roam/explore, the following has been happening intermittently...

1) Notice the blank paths...



2) After escaping out, and re-trying a few times, they eventually show up...



Is there a chance that the menus are just being affected by a read that's not completing by the time the menu is being rendered?...

[seagoon]

I am not complaining - just asking what is wrong or going on.

My retort was directed at Mr. Stagg.
And, like yourself, I realise that there is a difference between objective questioning and simple complaining.

Bruce

[monon15]

My retort was directed at Mr. Stagg.
And, like yourself, I realise that there is a difference between objective questioning and simple complaining.

Bruce

I understand, I was/am just trying to seek answers for the best way for me to enjoy my virtual trains.

[twpol]

But that menu is useless; unless one edits ALL their consist names to include the name of the lead ENG. If one wants to drive the Gordon loco how can that be determined from the non-graphic menu? No way unless the consist name includes "Gordon". What is the lead loco in this consist whose nameline is Name ( "3DT_WP3_Box50" )?

All you needed to do is ask; as one of the maintainers of the "useless" menu, I'm more than happy to improve it for what you want to do, but I am not psychic.

Nice attitude. Reminds me of Run8 support.

I did not say the Graphic menu interface needed to be fixed. But the non-graphic menu could be modified so that it is like MSTS select route, select Explore, select Loco, and then select consist.

Okay, so you'd like to only see consists for a selected locomotive? I think we can manage that just fine.

Perhaps a related issue.... When doing a free-roam/explore, the following has been happening intermittently...

1) Notice the blank paths...

2) After escaping out, and re-trying a few times, they eventually show up...

Is there a chance that the menus are just being affected by a read that's not completing by the time the menu is being rendered?...

I've seen this too but never quite nailed it down; some improvements have been made to the way these lists are loaded, however, so hopefully it happens less, or not at all, in the next release.

[monon15]

James - would it be possible for me to send you my consist to look at to try and debug what is going on with OR?

[crstagg]

James - would it be possible for me to send you my consist to look at to try and debug what is going on with OR?

The consist file is not the problem. The problem lies within the engine file.

[wjcurrey]

The consist file is not the problem. The problem lies within the engine file.

Yes, the problem is in the distribution. Use this version https://www.trainsim.com/vbts/tslib....ight&fid=23135. It has the Cabview and correct engine file in one place. The https://www.trainsim.com/vbts/tslib....ight&fid=28035 although of a newer date, has problems even when trying to build a test activity with MSTS.

Even with the current WPF menu it is possible if an activity is built using 23135 distribution. To do so, an activity needs to be built with an engine consist. See pic below. IMO using James menu with the added locomotive is a better approach.

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[twpol]

James - would it be possible for me to send you my consist to look at to try and debug what is going on with OR?

If your problem only occurs with the WPF (colourful) menu, then not really; I only maintain the classic Windows-style menu.

[eric]

I've seen this too but never quite nailed it down; some improvements have been made to the way these lists are loaded, however, so hopefully it happens less, or not at all, in the next release.

It's still happening in v0.08