OPen Rails & Run 8 - Pro's, Con's, Comments

[burgerbern]

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...............Yes it is possible to have more than one Simulator on your computer so why are some of you SO affraid of a new Simulator coming up the pike..................................... now you don't have Run8 and until you do your just speculating on something that you've seen in a video..

just to reply to a couple of the statements in your post!

Not afaraid of a new simulator, in fact was looking forward to it and yes none of us are able to test it out yet, but the developer has already stated what will be in it and what will definately NOT be a part of it, my evaluation tailored to what i want out of a sim, is based on those categoric statements from the developer, so no need to actually have it in my hands to make an comparison.

I DO NOT want to multiplay (i never have with any game, i loved warcaraft until it changed to being an online behemoth, that worked well for the developer but was not my thing), i want to single play by myself offline with activities and AI traffic because its boring running an entire route by yourself, never seeing or interacting with other traffic, having the choice to go online and multiplay or playing single player in acts with AI traffic from the menu would satisfy both parts of the community, but the developer has stated in the RUN8 forum categorically there will be no AI and no Acts, so my earlier evatuation/comment is based on my needs and the developers own statement as to what will or not be a part of the new simulator. If in the future the developer changed their mind then i would in all probability give it a try as i did with RW/TS2012, after the TS2012 update failed again to provide what i was looking for i gave up finally on it as well. At this time MSTS is still the only simulator (even with its faults and limitations) that gives me what I want, with OR improving over time on that i can have both what i want and also not give up the 10 years worth of routes and rolling stock that i have either purchased or downloaded. If RUN8 also gave me what i wanted AI and Acts then i could have 2 sims on my PC and enjoy both.

[seagoon]

...so no need to actually have it in my hands to make an comparison.[/I][/B]....

Well, strictly speaking and to be totally pedantic, one does need to have both in order to make a full comparison - they each need to be run on a PC for that to happen.

All that one can do based on what the developer has publicly stated is to look at the features, which is what you have done, and then say whether they meet your needs or not (in other words, provide any benefits), which you have also done.

As has been stated by yourself and many others, including myself, multiplayer is of no interest but that alone is not sufficient for me to be deterred from at least buying the program and seeing what it offers from a train-operating realism viewpoint.
I may never use it "in anger" but my curiosity is certainly piqued to the level where I want to see if the hype regarding the physics, dynamics and umpteen selectable items which enhance reality are worthwhile and whether they make it feel and sound more realistic than I have experienced so far.

But online multiplay? No.....that's not for me.

BK

[mdeming]

No editors, one route, no ai traffic, only modern equipment, those are things that will prevent me from buying this. From what I have read in the postings online their attitude is definitely not to my liking. In this tight economy why would I give my hard earned money to support a product which is not at all what I am interested in?

[neyland]

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[boleyd]

Let's see what happens to this msg --- I think it is unattractive. If it looks bad I can't go any further. Perhaps it could be an excellent simulator with AI, scheduling, portals, weather, signaling, physics, etc. but lo-end graphics does not get if off my starting line. Right now I put it on my list of GAMES to be watched but with small hope.

[Bananarama]

The videos posted show fairly low detail, specifically video #2, where much of Mojave is missing and I noted, as did Otto, that switches appear to lack frog detail and there was see-through parts in the cab. This might have something to do with packet transfer, but I have some pretty old racing sims that can handle dozens of players with better graphics (ie: GPL), and based on minimum requirements I'm not sure where the bottle neck would be.

Interesting super-elevation effect - does anyone know if it's "canned" or does the track actually have SE?

Sounds seemed fair, but impossible to judge based on a video. Also Teamspeak might be a good user option instead of listening to pre-recordings of the radio.

Next route planned is the Needles sub. I suppose 3DTS can be kept busy for years developing low-detail desert routes. If they can solve the packet issue, and thus reduce the minimum specs, then folks might see city routes (Los Angeles, Sacramento yard, etc.).

[mnjrr]

My post was deleted from this thread for no reason, i didn't attack anyone, i never poured scorn on run8. Moderators..............................

While it is true your post did not attack anyone as you showed your support of Marc, he has been very helpful to me too in the past, and it is nice to know your enthusiasm for Open Rails, your post was also about a personal attack which is not appropriate for a public forum and to the original discussion of this thread. Hence, I deleted your message as well as those other posts which are off topic. I know that deleting your post might seem like a draconian aproach. It is noble to stick up for people when they get attacked. However, any posts even about personal attacks, while sincere in nature, such as yours, will likely lead to other off topic messages from other posters and thus the thread will deteriorate to a taking sides contest. Such is the ebb and flow nature of public forums.

Based on the recognition of this nature, I would therefore like to move the discussion back to the original subject of this thread. I ask everyone to please help me achieve this objective. I really hope guys that you are not going for another day of continuing the personal attacks or discussing them. I will not tolerate that. I do not want to devote the time to edit out individual messages with changing words, etc. If I cannot keep up with getting rid of messages with and or about personal attacks, I will lock this thread. If you have any further questions, please feel free to send me a private message or an email to walter j conklin iv @ yahoo . com (no spaces). And again please do not respond to this thread with or about personal attacks.

[OTTODAD]

Enough has been said on the subject and until RUN 8 has been released and those who have purchased it have run it and can report back there is no point in saying any more.

O t t o

[neyland]

Fair enough Walter.

[seagoon]

Well, it's an interesting situation and I guess we'll just have to wait and see what eventuates but in the meantime we can look forward to the next beta update for OR and further down the track (pun intended!) the release of RMD West from Lukas. Good fun ahead.

I am, however, curious about one thing: I wonder if those who have been banned from the R8 forum for whatever their crime may have been (mentioning another sim, for example) will be welcomed as customers once the product goes on sale.

BK

[burgerbern]

and the 3DTS Sherman hill extension for MSTS Colton Yard

[westerngy]

and the 3DTS Sherman hill extension for MSTS Colton Yard

No Bernard Sherman Hill is a route Marc ( 3DTrains ) never finished and West Colton is from 3Dtrainstuff,so I'm thinking you've got a slight mix up going on who and what...Happens to all of us.

[Bananarama]

No Bernard Sherman Hill is a route Marc ( 3DTrains ) never finished and West Colton is from 3Dtrainstuff,so I'm thinking you've got a slight mix up going on who and what...Happens to all of us.

Since moving from MSTS to Railworks, I helped develop the version to be released by RSC this month. Besides, I believe Bernard might have confused Beaumont Hill with Sherman Hill, the former was being developed by 3DTS before they changed to doing Colton only.

[BNSF650]

I sure hope Marc will do a BNSF route like he did for MSTS

[jjtang]

Videos

The following are some videos of the current Multiplayer capability of OR, running a server and client on the same machine, thus two windows side-by-side:

1. One player waiting on the left, while another player passed

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xci7Iut41QA&feature=plcp

2. A player's train coupled to the end of another player's train, working as a helper, then released

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LUSX9vFws8k&feature=plcp

3. A small switching activity, one player pushed some cars to the end of another player's train, then decoupled. The left screen turned blank for a while at the end of this video, because I hit the key to change trains (view only), the system had to load scenery objects.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QyKZdMNzHsY&feature=plcp