OPen Rails & Run 8 - Pro's, Con's, Comments

**ragtimer** · 08-05-2012, 03:40

Anyone who is programingwise clever enough to produce a "new" simulator would be much better employed continuing George's BIN project and improving MSTS.I have no interest in a simulator which has no AI traffic, (As some have posted re "Run8"), or which has great difficulty with AI traffic (RW or whatever it is called this week) and which seems to treat its customers with contempt (from what I read in the forums),or one which will not allow freeware or repaints.MSTS is successful because it allows all these things (apart from help from the original producer)and with the improvement in payware offerings is a very fair experience now especially when the trains handle much as I came to expect driving the real thing.I should like to see routes with Scalerail or DB tracks rather than sticking to the old default stuff.

**OTTODAD** · 08-05-2012, 07:13

Originally posted by ragtimer

I should like to see routes with Scalerail or DB tracks rather than sticking to the old default stuff.

Hi Peter !

You may have noticed my threads about my method of using DB-Tracks with existing MSTSBin routes and if you like to know more then please send me an e-mail !

O t t o

**NorthernWarrior** · 08-05-2012, 08:10

Lurking at RWA, I notice someone posted there about getting kicked off the Run8 forum for innocuously asking whether they should spend their 40 bucks on Run 8 or the forthcoming Sherman Hill for RSC. Seems the guys at R8/3DTS are even more information control orientated than RSC! Guess that makes my mind up about R8 vs OR and that there's little point registering at the Run 8 forum...

**hminky** · 08-05-2012, 09:48

Originally posted by NorthernWarrior

Lurking at RWA, I notice someone posted there about getting kicked off the Run8 forum for innocuously asking whether they should spend their 40 bucks on Run 8 or the forthcoming Sherman Hill for RSC. Seems the guys at R8/3DTS are even more information control orientated than RSC! Guess that makes my mind up about R8 vs OR and that there's little point registering at the Run 8 forum...

It is one of the rules to not mention other sims since it is a Run8 forum. They give you a warning about a post that violates the rules before banning.

The person who was permanently banned did more than he claimed.

Harold

**NorthernWarrior** · 08-05-2012, 11:05

Ahhh...

I can understand if someone went in there touting the advantages of another sim over the one they are trying to sell, but inevitably people are going to want to make a neutral comparison.

I guess it's their forum but it does pose a rather restrictive parameter in which to post.

Edit:

Marc, Just seen what they did to you. That is appalling.

**Bananarama** · 08-05-2012, 11:08

Originally posted by westerngy

and it's NOT 3DTS( That's Marc Nelson ) ...it's 3Dtrainstuff

3DT = 3DTrains
3DTS = 3D Train Stuff

Says so on nearly all their web pages.

FWIW.

**Coonskin** · 08-05-2012, 13:41

Hi Marc!

Their loss. No biggie. Come on an' chew the fat with us here about OR, MSTSw/Bin, etc.

FWIW: I already helped them to understand the difference between 3DT and the other place in an earlier post.

**mnjrr** · 08-05-2012, 18:26

Hello Everyone,

Please keep the discussion on topic to discussing the pros and cons of Open Rails and Run8.

**crstagg** · 08-05-2012, 19:09

Originally posted by mnjrr

Hello Everyone,

Please keep the discussion on topic to discussing the pros and cons of Open Rails and Run8.

Seems to me that the discussion is just that. Marc has discovered a BIG con of Run8.

**eric** · 08-05-2012, 19:35

Agree -- what Marc posted is indicative of the level of support we can expect. and support is a key product feature. So is the developers attitude towards critical evaluation of the product.

**OTTODAD** · 08-05-2012, 19:53

Originally posted by eric

Agree -- what Marc posted is indicative of the level of support we can expect. and support is a key product feature. So is the developers attitude towards critical evaluation of the product.

Now compare the attitude of RUN 8 with that of ORTS who have an open mind about all that is being said about it, positive or negative.

Developers will never learn what their customers want or do not want unless they encourage comments or do some market research !

Something else about their forum. I am not interested in forums where one can not even have a look to see what is being posted without registering !

O t t o

**derekmorton** · 08-05-2012, 20:51

Originally posted by ragtimer

Anyone who is programing wise clever enough to produce a "new" simulator would be much better employed continuing George's BIN project and improving MSTS.

There is a very different skill set between creating and new simulator (high level language, visual C or C#) and trying to reverse engineer an exe file ( assembler code).
The 2 skills don't come together very often.
There are not many programmers left who can write assembler code for x86.
The last time I did assembler was for an IBM 370.

**westerngy** · 08-05-2012, 20:58

So whats stopping all of you from having 1 or 2 or 3 or 4 sims on your hardrive...nothing so whats the banter about jezzz and people complain about kids well here's a thread full of them.

**Bananarama** · 08-05-2012, 21:02

Originally posted by westerngy

So whats stopping all of you from having 1 or 2 or 3 or 4 sims on your hardrive...nothing

OK, you asked...

I have several sims and several copies of each to keep me happy. However, being banned from a company forum for nothing other than what appears to be a personal vendetta makes me wonder if I'll receive what's paid for.

**mnjrr** · 08-05-2012, 21:08

Everyone,

Please stop the controversial posts with or about personal attacks which really have nothing to do about Open Rails. I have tried to be fair in removing all of the attacks on both sides leverging personal attacks. Please help me, this message thread, and this forum by not posting messages with or about personal attacks.