The news of some dlc's from trainsimulations.net

[michelouim]

After reading all the previous comments, I cannot add any.

Like many others here, I am a fan of what they have done. But i am also selective. Like many, I go with the money I have and the interest i have in their products or in those developed from them. Now, I understand that if someone has developed using one of their products as a base, it is worthless if we have waited too long. Like the activity pack for Mactier, i downloaded it, but havent got time to try it yet.

I just hope that someone at TrainSimulations is reading the comments too and taking note that, whatever is hidden by the decision they took, it is a big loss for us. My only hope is, in time, that the Waybackmachine works, but i would prefer another kind of solution.

Michel

[oper190]

It appears that a very recently uploaded activity pack - CPR Mactier Subdivision Activity 2-Pack, file ID 90692 - has been rendered useless by the withdrawal of two trainsets by TrainSimulations.

Not only Activites but how many reskins were made using these gone by the wayside payware items that are now useless to newcomers? This effects the life of OR as newcomes well get frustrated and walk away to something else.

One of the big reasons to get to know and use one of the programs for rebuilding consists. Been doing that for years.

[CSRX]

I mean, no offense to the guys of TSN, but now can you folks understand why I have gone back to using mainly freeware stuff from Erick Cantu when it comes to my freight car repaints?

As of now, my very large NBSR SD70M-2 pack sits idle due to no longer having a proper shape available. Those that managed to get the proper shapes, great, to the future folks, sorry. Maybe someday we will have an SD70M-2 model available again versus just the ACe versions.. (Honestly, from the real-life perspective, you guys aren't missing out on the "joy" of running those junks on wheels anyways. Hard to believe EMD even found buyers to the DC versions...)

Needless to say, I expect bigger and better things to come from TSN, if this is the case.

[eric]

Many of you are assuming newcomers want to use models that are ten to fifteen years old...

I'll politely suggest maybe we collectively treat TSN and other payware providers the way we would any other creator who wants to pull their content, because it looks dated, and isn't the quality that they want their name associated with.

The borderline badmouthing their decision isn't likely to make them want to modify their licensing or make it available again. Be grateful they (unlike almost every other payware provider past or present) allowed the reskins.

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[michelouim]

Yes Eric, I have to agree with you. Who are those newcomers? Young ones, old ones, ones coming back after trying something else and what do they want.

And I hear you when you say we should be grateful for the reskin policy. But, it seems it is just where it hurts so badly. All the time and efforts one took to do a reskin and now the work is unusable. I really hope someone will have an idea. I do not want to loose those skilled people.

Michel

[Unoriginal]

I had already said my thoughts, but I'm sure most would've rather use those newer models over the equivalent 20+ year old models. Hardly any of them even looked bad for their age and still looked near as good as the stuff they make now. Some of those engines (mainly the CP eco units) haven't really been done elsewhere and I doubt they'll be done again. I just don't think it's fair for those to have to go backwards to use a lesser quality item.

I had wanted to learn to make some extra numbers for the lease SD40s in the CSX rock runner set, as well as the aforementioned CP ECO units, but since those sets aren't available anymore I don't really have any motivation to continue with that idea.

I'll say this, if TSN actually commutated a list of the sets that were to be removed BEFORE they got pulled, then it's likely nowhere near as many people would be as angry about it.

[oper190]

Who are those newcomers?

Who can say who they will be, my point is not about what was done. That was a corporate decision. Find me a VCR now a days, or a Ford Edsel - corporations make their choices.
It's just unfortunate that in this hobby reskins requiring payware models were and are a big part of it and now there's a bunch that are worthless. A Newcome looking and sees an engine for Railroad XYZ that they might want, only to find they need a payware product that's no longer available gets frustrating.
Coming from MSTS to OR was a big help in understanding how it works and how reskins were done. A newbie will be clueless, and likey to move on to something else.

[1peckfordhay]

I'm going to add my $0.02 to this thread as well as a Canadian OR user (who has been affected by this content pulling). I'm not against the American made payware or freeware (come to think of it, I have a lot of US based addons) but having the addition of rolling stock, Canadian rolling stock no less, was great. I don't necessarily agree with TS' decision to pull it (considering there are not an overwhelmingly huge amount of payware providers with the level of details their models possess, fewer making Canadian content and locomotives other providers simply do not have, not to mention the copious amounts of reskins / routes using their locomotives / rolling stock as pre-requisites) but it's not my pond to stomp around in. I do hope the older content does surface eventually, whether in paid or free formats at their own discretion, but I do agree with the majority that this is a pretty significant blow for new users and existing users alike and I share in the disappointment knowing great content has gone away. There are simply too many addons that have otherwise gone the way of the dodo bird to not join in the conversation.

[CBQSD24]

Many of you are assuming newcomers want to use models that are ten to fifteen years old...

I'll politely suggest maybe we collectively treat TSN and other payware providers the way we would any other creator who wants to pull their content, because it looks dated, and isn't the quality that they want their name associated with.

The borderline badmouthing their decision isn't likely to make them want to modify their licensing or make it available again. Be grateful they (unlike almost every other payware provider past or present) allowed the reskins.

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I'm sorry but I have to disagree. A good chunk of what was removed wasn't even that old, and some of it either has no replacements or replacements that are even older than what TSN provided. It's already been said but they didn't pull content based on how old it was, but rather what saw less sales. So the whole "pulling content that isn't the quality they dont want their name associated with" doesn't really make much sense to me when they pull some of the newest stuff on the site, yet leave tons of decade old items for sale. I have to be honest too, I don't really get where the whole "older TSN models are something newcomers dont want to use" originated from? Like, I've only been in the ORTS scene for about 2 years now, and most of the TSN content I use is pretty old, and its some of the most fun I have in ORTS. It's better than whats on the FL 90% of the time, and the majority of it still holds up well and is on par with modern TSN content.

And, "borderline badmouthing" - Really? Nobody here is ungrateful for what TSN has provided for us - infact everyone here feels the opposite. I feel like it's a bit unreasonable to call all of this "borderline badmouthing" when I believe everyone in this thread has been very reasonable and constructive with their complains about this issue. At the end of the day, we all believe that TSN did not handle this very well, and we all have the right to say our thoughts on the matter. I think it would be one thing if people were outright complaining and using profanity or something, but again - everyone here has been very reasonable and constructive when writing out how they feel about this.

Nobody in here wants to come off as rude, ungrateful or anything of that sort. We're all just frustrated over another major blow to this already niche sim / community, and thus we are echoing our thoughts.

[TrainSimJack]

There is only one reason to pull this content: with the intent to create demand for it, so it can be released again in the future as a "Limited time only" offering.

[1peckfordhay]

Many of you are assuming newcomers want to use models that are ten to fifteen years old...

I'll politely suggest maybe we collectively treat TSN and other payware providers the way we would any other creator who wants to pull their content, because it looks dated, and isn't the quality that they want their name associated with.

The borderline badmouthing their decision isn't likely to make them want to modify their licensing or make it available again. Be grateful they (unlike almost every other payware provider past or present) allowed the reskins.

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You'll have to excuse my word salad, but I can't sit on this and let it go. It seems like there's two different discussions happening here. You, on one hand have stated that most of us have assumed that "newcomers want to use models that are ten to fifteen years old" this is simply untrue. A lot of the older Streamlines content you speak of in the 10-15 year range or older, most of us can't even find anymore as it has basically disappeared from the internet. UP SD70M Wind Turbine Trainset? Gone. SD60 packs 1 and 2? Gone. GP60 packs among many others? Same way. Some remnants of their older content exist to my knowledge, but the legality of "acquiring" it is simply not there. The models we're discussing were not even within the 10-15 year range when TS axed them.

Some of the fallen flag sets they released were on par with the quality they have now. I can't, in good conscience and all respect to those involved, agree on this because I'm one of those among probably many others affected. What we have is a near-complete lack of transparency from TS. How are we supposed to enjoy a 10% off clearance sale if we don't even know what they're getting rid of? I had to come here to find out what was being removed. And I find it greatly unfair to the creators that use their content to make more content for even more region specific operations being left out in the dust. A lot of the models they made you can't find anywhere else and everyone is losing out on it, TS included.

TL;DR it's not about the age of the addons, it's the lack of communication from providers about removing it that we're upset about. Nobody saw this coming and not everyone uses Discord where this might have been communicated.

[dcarleton]

But also consider that TS is uploading previously unreleased items to the library here.
The latest example is tsup_c40-8w.zip file # 90695 (released Sunday March 1).

[CBQSD24]

But also consider that TS is uploading previously unreleased items to the library here.
The latest example is tsup_c40-8w.zip file # 90695 (released Sunday March 1).

Believe this was a one-time case. I appreciate a lot, but don't expect anymore. It still doesn't really solve the larger issue anyway,

[veemr]

Regarding tsup_c40-8w, the wheelsets on the rear truck are rotating backwards. This can be fixed by quick work on the shape file. Change

matrix WHEELS22 ( -1 0 0 0 1 0 0 0 -1 ...

to matrix WHEELS22 ( 1 0 0 0 1 0 0 0 1 ... That is, erase the 2 negative signs. Do the same for the WHEELS23 and WHEELS21 lines.

[eric]

Believe this was a one-time case. I appreciate a lot, but don't expect anymore. It still doesn't really solve the larger issue anyway,

Well, all I know for certain is that it might not be a one time case.

Try to remember SLI/TSN has been one of the most generous of the providers in terms of the community.

They've donated the ORTS starter route and equipment. They have the freeware pack for freight equipment. They offer the most open repaint policy of any payware supplier, and just allowed their scenery objects to be defined (not shared) for freeware routes.

Cut 'em some slack. They've already gone above and beyond. Maybe show a little more trust on their short and long term plans, rather than questioning their motives and transparency?

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