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  • necrails
    Member
    • Jul 2003
    • 146
    • Fanwood, N, Union.

    #1

    B&O West end crashes TSRE

    Tried to load this route into TSRE to create an activity, selecting the route results in nothing, starts to load and the program just stops. All other routes currently on my HD load fine, even the mega routes. Route loads and runs in OR just fine. What am I missing?
  • rdayt
    Senior Member
    • Nov 2007
    • 1247
    • SW MO
    • ORTS

    #2
    There's an error log in the TSRE folder that the last entry of usually points to the culprit.
    Attach a copy, we'll help look.

    Randy

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    • geepster775
      2500 Post Veteran


      • Sep 2006
      • 2827
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      • General

      #3
      This route suffered from having mis-named placeholder files that TSRE balked at. All placeholders should be .txt
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      • eric
        Owner/Admin



        • Dec 2002
        • 9254
        • NS MP245.4 CNO&TP South District
        • English, SQL
        • General

        #4
        Originally posted by geepster775
        This route suffered from having mis-named placeholder files that TSRE balked at. All placeholders should be .txt
        Which files? I might be able to work on an exception handler.

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        • geepster775
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          • Sep 2006
          • 2827
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          #5
          The placeholder (zero byte) file for the activities folder had a .act extension. The placeholder for the traffic folder had a .trf extension. The placeholder for services folder had a .srv extension. TSRE was interpreting these as legitimate files because of the true extensions, but nothing was inside said files. Once the placeholder files were deleted or the extensions changed over to .txt, TSRE interpreted properly again.
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          • necrails
            Member
            • Jul 2003
            • 146
            • Fanwood, N, Union.

            #6
            Here is the error log as requested. I didn't know this even existed so thanks for that. Perhaps the log will shed some light on this. log.txt

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            • kapitaen
              Senior Member
              • May 2010
              • 323
              • Germany
              • German + a little bit English
              • MSOR

              #7
              The log.txt says:
              Code:
              [I] Nowy 0 service: "c:/msts anthracite/routes/b&o west end_v1/services/deleteafterinstallation.srv"
              [I] "c:/msts anthracite/routes/B&O West End_v1/services/DeleteAfterInstallation.srv"
              [I] service loaded
              [I] Nowy 0 traffic: "c:/msts anthracite/routes/b&o west end_v1/traffic/deleteafterinstallation.trf"
              [I] "c:/msts anthracite/routes/B&O West End_v1/traffic/DeleteAfterInstallation.trf"
              [I] traffic loaded
              [I] Nowy 0 act: "c:/msts anthracite/routes/b&o west end_v1/activities/deleteafterinstallation.act"
              [I] "c:/msts anthracite/routes/b&o west end_v1/activities/deleteafterinstallation.act"
              ​
              deleteafterinstallation.xxx means delete after installation.
              Jan

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              • eric
                Owner/Admin



                • Dec 2002
                • 9254
                • NS MP245.4 CNO&TP South District
                • English, SQL
                • General

                #8
                As Vince would say often... RTFM error?

                I can probably do a check to ignore zero byte files for reading.

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                • necrails
                  Member
                  • Jul 2003
                  • 146
                  • Fanwood, N, Union.

                  #9
                  Deleted those items noted, no joy. Here is the most recent log. log.txt

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                  • eric
                    Owner/Admin



                    • Dec 2002
                    • 9254
                    • NS MP245.4 CNO&TP South District
                    • English, SQL
                    • General

                    #10
                    Have you tried one of the newer versions of TSRE?



                    With the three files deleted, I was able to open it up just fine in 8.005 RC3, and I was able to move around to multiple stations and sidings from the Navi window dropdowns.
                    Last edited by eric; 05-05-2026, 01:06.
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                    • necrails
                      Member
                      • Jul 2003
                      • 146
                      • Fanwood, N, Union.

                      #11
                      I'll give the new version a try. I wondering if it is a memory problem. I have 8 GB ram and adjusted the page file which addressed an issue I had with another route. I was able to open the editor after trying 5 consecutive times but it abruptly closed after a minute. Then could not open the route again.

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                      • necrails
                        Member
                        • Jul 2003
                        • 146
                        • Fanwood, N, Union.

                        #12
                        Update, 8.005RC3 loads west end without crashing and am able to navigate. I will try later this week to create an activity and see if the program stays open. Of course nothing is easy, I tried the updated version on the SoCal route, the only other route that defies editing. It opens, locks up with in 60 seconds then when closing the program I am asked if I would like to save or discard changes despite no changes made. The editor doesn't like Surfliner 2.2 either. More and more I think it is my elderly PC and perhaps a graphic card. I'm not well versed in hardware and am happy to get reasonable frame rates on the routes I utilize. I'll follow other threads and see how others deal with issues. FWIW
                        Device name DESKTOP-7IIVDLI
                        Processor Intel(R) Core(TM) i7-4790S CPU @ 3.20GHz (3.20 GHz)
                        Installed RAM 8.00 GB
                        Graphics card Intel(R) HD Graphics 4600 (113 MB)
                        Storage 107 GB of 238 GB used
                        Device ID 9E5A0312-1B21-4BA6-B1E8-065E4EA592E5
                        Product ID 00330-52581-32550-AAOEM
                        System type 64-bit operating system, x64-based processor
                        Pen and touch No pen or touch input is available for this display
                        OS Windows 11 pro all updates current

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                        • slipperman
                          2500 Post Veteran



                          • May 2010
                          • 3657
                          • Worksop, UK
                          • MSOR

                          #13
                          Hi necrails,
                          I have just installed the Surfliner v2.3 and SoCal routes. Both load without problem in the Latest TSRE5 and although I didn't 'do' anything, except move around the route, neither crashed.

                          I wonder if the problem could be the memory available to your Intel graphics card - I'm using an NVIDIA GTX 1660Ti with 6GB memory, Win10 PC with 12GB RAM.

                          Cheers,
                          Ged

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                          • eric
                            Owner/Admin



                            • Dec 2002
                            • 9254
                            • NS MP245.4 CNO&TP South District
                            • English, SQL
                            • General

                            #14
                            I was able to add the check for any TRF, SRV or ACT file that will ignore anything under 100 bytes. I couldn't find an example in my route collection under 200 bytes.

                            Code:
                            [I] "DeleteAfterInstallation.srv" is too small, not loaded
                            [I] "DeleteAfterInstallation.trf" is too small, not loaded
                            [I] "DeleteAfterInstallation.act"  is too small, not loaded
                            If you like what you see here at Trainsim.com, be it the discussions and knowledge in the forums, items saved in our library or the ongoing development of our TSRE Fork, I hope you'll consider a paid membership to help support keeping the site operating.... Thanks!

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                            • necrails
                              Member
                              • Jul 2003
                              • 146
                              • Fanwood, N, Union.

                              #15
                              Originally posted by slipperman
                              Hi necrails,
                              I have just installed the Surfliner v2.3 and SoCal routes. Both load without problem in the Latest TSRE5 and although I didn't 'do' anything, except move around the route, neither crashed.

                              I wonder if the problem could be the memory available to your Intel graphics card - I'm using an NVIDIA GTX 1660Ti with 6GB memory, Win10 PC with 12GB RAM.

                              Cheers,
                              Ged
                              I think you are probably correct. This is an older all in one PC, I am limited in what hardware changes can be attempted. I'm not planning on changing computer hardware any time soon given my PC exists for checking email, selling on ebay and train sim. Nothing I can't live with but thanks for the reply.

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