Activating Signals

[texascowboy]

I have added several tiles to an existing route to create a short branch line operation, & have placed several signals along the new trackage. However, when I launch the sim, those signals remain dark & do not appear in the Track Monitor Window. My question is, are there additional steps other than the placement required to activate the signals so that they are both functional as well as appear in the Track Monitor Window when the F4 key is activated.
Thanks for the help...clint

[derekmorton]

Signal information is contained in sigscr.dat and sigcfg.dat.

[texascowboy]

I have located the signal types in the sigcfg file but am not familiar enough w/the content to know which values need to be added/modified to make the signals function properly. Same w/the sigscr file, but have no idea which lines and/or values should be modified. I don't want to appear dense here, but I am relatively new to TSRE so unfortunately, I need more information to go on. clint

[ebnertra000]

What signals are you using? Not all sets work in the same way

[rdayt]

Are you trying to place the signals as a shape or as a signal?

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If they aren't showing up under the signals tab then they aren't in the route's sigcfg.dat or sigscr.dat files and can't be added as a functional signal.

Randy

[texascowboy]

The ATSF ilock No Bo(atilock1nb.s) & the ATSF ilock (2 light second head} (atilock2.s)

[texascowboy]

Randy: I assumed that I was placing them as signals as both show up in the drop down box under the Signals box.

[eric]

I'd have to look, but I believe TSRE only reads the SigCfg file to populate the dropdowns. It might not validate SigScr.

[texascowboy]

As I said earlier, I'm still in the learning stages of TSRE, so I won't claim to fully understand the relationship between the two dat files. However, FWIW, the signals I installed are the same as those used throughout the route & both appear in the dropdown list. There are a few other types s as well, but the majority are the single & double headed target type signals. clint

[eric]

Are these absolute signals? You need to establish a link to the track vector being protected for absolute and distant signals.

Interval signals have set this automatically.

[texascowboy]

The signals I initially installed must have been the absolute type since they did not illuminate or show up on the Track Monitor window when operating the sim. So I have swapped out those signals w/those in the drop down box which have interval in the name. Now I get an error message when I launch the sim saying that "Object reference not set to an instance of an object" . So I went to the OR Log & it seems that none of the signals are in the tdb file. I thought that when the object appeared in the "Other" section of the Objects dropdown box in TRSE, that said object was available for use in TSRE. Also, the signals used also appear in the Misc section of the Ref File dropdown. clint

[eric]

Do the signals appear in TSRE, and when you click on one, does it show the signal properties pane with a UID?

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If it looks like that, then the signal did get written to the TDB as a signal.



Take a look in the ORTS log and perhaps it will be indicating why the Object Reference Not Set error is occurring.

[texascowboy]

Information in the ORTS log is as follows:

Warning: Signal referenced in .w file -11816 14271 as TrItem 1089 not present in .tdb file

Warning: Signal referenced in .w file -11816 14271 as TrItem 1091 not present in .tdb file

These are only 2 of the several hundred Warnings in the log...each referencing a different set of coordinates in the world file. I only placed 10-12 signals on the new route extension but there are more warnings in the log than there are signals on the entire route. Until I replaced the signals earlier today, the sim operated fine w/the exception of the original signals not functioning.

A screenie of the UID window is attached. I'm no expert on what it should look like, but based on the the one you sent, it appears normal. clint

[eric]

What version TSRE? There was a tdb reordering error in some testing versions between 8002 and 8004.

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[texascowboy]

I'm currently using v0.7.002 of TSRE. I believe there is a new version out but I have yet to install it.
After trying a number of different ideas to resolve the screwed up tdb file problem, I decided to totally remove all trackage & all signals associated w/the new branch line I had created to try to isolate the tdb problem. I then retried launching the sim using different activity & a different path. To my surprise, the sim launched as intended. I then relay the branch line trackage w/o signals & launched the sim using the new path & again, the sim worked fine. So the tdb problem was apparently associated w/the new trackage & not w/the signals. I can't really explain the reason for that b/c I had run a player over that original trackage several times prior to installing the signals. I then re-added the signals & again, the sim launched w/o any issues. However, the signals, although illuminated, still do not function properly as I only get a yellow board ahead of the player, never a green board, & the they do not appear in the track monitor. I only installed 2 types of signals & both are the interval type. (ATSF Interval (gantry mount) & (ATSF Interval NB), both of which are in the Objects box dropdown under Signals. clint