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  • landnrailroader
    4000 Post Veteran



    • Nov 1999
    • 4171
    • Jacksonville,, FL, USA.
    • ORTS

    #1

    Knoxville Division (L&N) Progress

    My L&N, KD Diviison (now a CSX Subdivision) is back into the working line and I am currently fluffing out the Southern branch from Knoxville to Middlesboro, KY, working toward Knoxville. There are a few tunnels on the line including a long one under Cumberland Gap. Here, looking railroad south, we have a bridge over the Clinch River and a tunnel. At this point it is actually Norris Lake which was impounded on the Clinch starting after Norris Dam was completed in 1936 - the first TVA dam constructed new. TVA has a few older dams that were acquired from the original owners.
    At this point we will start up a roughly 1.5% grade to Washburn, TN and just beyond that is a huge quarry, essentially the only business left except a little coal out of Middlesboro. We are at about mile CG-41 out of Knoxville. This line is now operated by R. J. Corman. At the top right, the yellow line leads upgrade on mostly tangent with a few homes, barns, etc. and a lot of trees until it exists from that valley by a hard left turn, about a 8 degree curve continueing up grade,, and then a sharp right turn leads into Washburn. This is mostly small farms and some homes with a lot of forested areas of various densities. I'll add to this thread as I piddle along and when I go to a different line, I'll start a thread for that. I might add that in my 13 years on the Southern, we tested this branch twice a year because, while it did not have much traffic, what there was in those 1960s-70s was mostly coal and coal cars beat up track pretty bad.

    Jerry Sullivan Middle01.jpg
  • landnrailroader
    4000 Post Veteran



    • Nov 1999
    • 4171
    • Jacksonville,, FL, USA.
    • ORTS

    #2
    I have finished detailing, except of course any track linked items, as far as south of the tunnel in the aerial, so here are some screen shots from a train. The first image at the left show us entering the left hand curve that takes us to the edge of Norris Lake. The next shows us approaching the south portal of the tunnel seen in the aeria and the third image is of the bridge immediately north of the tunnel. Then a couple miles further is the fourth image as we cross the lake again and dive into another tunnel. And lastly, we pass a small marina. This will eventually upload as a completed route but a lot more could be done and I would have no problem with someone wanting to improve on it. Track is my strong point, scenery details are not. And the method we have to use the shape terraini is really bad. That "F" key can do a lot of damage, so when I use it, I look around a lot afterward and then I may have to "undo".
    Jerry Sullivan
    CG_LINE01.jpg CG_LINE02.jpg CG_LINE03.jpg CG_LINE04.jpg CG_LINE05.jpg

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    • kennyeaton
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      • Oct 2008
      • 268
      • Stony Point, NC
      • MSOR

      #3
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      First of all, I want to thank you for all of the great route making that you do. I downloaded this route a year or so ago and have gone through it completely re-doing scenery (summer & winter). I wanted to share a few photos for the route now.

      Again, thank you for your contributions to the community.
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      Last edited by kennyeaton; 12-07-2023, 15:34.

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      • jasonjedi1
        Senior Member

        • May 2010
        • 313
        • The nether

        #4
        Damn. That looks good. Excellent work!

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        • eric
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          • Dec 2002
          • 9583
          • NS MP245.4 CNO&TP South District
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          #5
          All of the houses need more cars and trucks in the yard, but other than that, it looks pretty darn good.
          If you like what you see here at Trainsim.com, be it the discussions and knowledge in the forums, or items available in our library, I hope you'll consider a paid membership to help support keeping the site operating.... Thanks!

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          • Curt C
            1000 Post Veteran

            • Jul 2001
            • 1032
            • UP's dead Santa Barbara Sub
            • General

            #6
            Nice job. Coming along well!

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            • landnrailroader
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              • Nov 1999
              • 4171
              • Jacksonville,, FL, USA.
              • ORTS

              #7
              Kenny that just looks great. You are much better at detailing than I am. You, or anyone, feel free to detail any of my routes and if you decide to upload the new versions to the library, just make sure that they have a different name and then Eric may want to remove older versions at his disgression. All I ask is that you include me in the credits for the original. Now I note that you live in a proper area. I see that Stoney Point is not far from either Hiddenite or Statesville. My first serious relationship, 63 years ago was from Hiddenite. We parted as friends and she passed away 3 years ago at age 76. Then my 2nd wife was born in Riedsville and grew up on a farm near Washington, NC. Cancer got her 37 years ago. Karen & I have now put up with each other for 29 years and she was born and raised in Burlington, NC. Guess I have a "thing" for NC gals.

              Jerry Sullivan

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              • kennyeaton
                Senior Member


                • Oct 2008
                • 268
                • Stony Point, NC
                • MSOR

                #8
                Thank you.

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                • kennyeaton
                  Senior Member


                  • Oct 2008
                  • 268
                  • Stony Point, NC
                  • MSOR

                  #9
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                  These little jewels are everywhere. You have to look for them.​​

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                  • kennyeaton
                    Senior Member


                    • Oct 2008
                    • 268
                    • Stony Point, NC
                    • MSOR

                    #10
                    A few more shots.

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                    • Jdark34
                      Senior Member

                      • Feb 2011
                      • 912
                      • alexander city alabama
                      • English
                      • General

                      #11
                      how long is the route? your csx route looks awesome wow Jdark34

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                      • TrainSimJack
                        Senior Member
                        • Jul 2022
                        • 527

                        #12
                        This route needs to be featured on the OpenRails home page!

                        What would be necessary to package this up so that ordinary folks can use it?

                        Are there free assets like trains and engines with 3d cabs that could be bundled in?

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                        • kennyeaton
                          Senior Member


                          • Oct 2008
                          • 268
                          • Stony Point, NC
                          • MSOR

                          #13
                          Jerry Sullivan, ain't nothing wrong with the NC gals. I'm about 4 or 5 miles from downtown Hiddenite. (Old Mountain Road) Being an old Pokey Division Conductor (N&W) 1977-1997, I really respect the work involved in the route building process. I can't do the start from scratch thing building a route. I have modified a few of your routes. Another total makeover was your mlwrmd2. Not long after working on this, I think Lukas put together the RMD East/West routes. The only thing I have done to these is remove the transfers under the tracks and painted roadbed. By the way, when I left the railroad in 1997, I lived in Butte, MT for a few years. The house we lived in was located not far from the south end of the runway Bert Mooney Airport. Every time I walked out onto the front porch, I was looking at Northern Pacific bridge 63.

                          Let's talk about the Clinchfield routes. I would love to see these routes combined into one and the tracks reworked in a few areas. I have done a little work dressing up the Kingsport but I haven't done anything in a long time. Again, back in my railroading days, I've taken several Georgia Power coal trains from Carbo, VA to Bulls Gap, TN. These trains were routed on about 40 miles of the old Clinchfield, St Paul to Frisco.

                          Keep up the great work Jerry, after finishing up combining the Clinchfield, my request for a new route would be CSX Russell, KY to Hinton, WV including the branch lines running through Pikeville, KY and Logan, WV.

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                          • kennyeaton
                            Senior Member


                            • Oct 2008
                            • 268
                            • Stony Point, NC
                            • MSOR

                            #14
                            A few more winter shots of a southbound coal train climbing up Jellico.

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                            • landnrailroader
                              4000 Post Veteran



                              • Nov 1999
                              • 4171
                              • Jacksonville,, FL, USA.
                              • ORTS

                              #15
                              Kenny,

                              You should be able to package the route as others seem to like it. You can do that as long as you did not use payware material in it - which I didn't in the original version. Right now I am redoing the route you are working on and I have increased it to include most of the SR lines out of Knoxville. The one I am most familiar with was Knoxville to Jelllico to Lot, KY to Holton, TN, to the ARCO mine. I was manager of track geometry inspection on the SR in the 60s & was on one of the first non-revenue trains into ARCO in November, 67. A unit train ran from there to a steam plant near Millidgeville, GA until around 1992. I also have done the tracks only (so far) on several routes but not Russell to Hinton. I might consider doing the track for that and sending it directly to you to detail. In answer to someone's question about the length of the line you are currently working on, it is about 150 miles from Knoxville to Corbin and then I also included a short piece of the Sothern around Rocky Top, TN. It was done in response to a request from a friend in Rockwood, TN who originally did it and then asked me to clean it up.

                              As for NC folks. I have in-laws, and nieces and nephews all over the place. My late wife died of cancer and a 4 year struggle and here brothers (1 left alive of 5) and sisters (2) are still my brothers and sisters and live in Winston-Salvem, Greenville, and nearChicago. 4 of her 5 brothers have joined her in heaven. Then my present wife has a sister still in Burlington.

                              Jerry

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