Problem with imported terrain

[michelouim]

HI, i am having some problem after importing terrain height using the GEO in TSRE. My problem is that after importing the terrain, i imported the map also from GEO. I was following the map to place the tracks. At one point i did a check of where i was using Google Earth, only to discover that i was not positionning the tracks at the right place. I place some markers and imported them in TSRE and to my surprise they were align to the map and not the terrain.

My question is: is the terrain height imported with GEO good or is it the map and the markers? And is it possible to move around the terrain to adjust it to the maps?

Included is a pic of what i have. The track should be to the left, going not on the side of the hill, but lower in the middle.

Thanks

Michel Picture.jpg

[CSRX]

using the GEO from TSRE itself isnt the best quality of terrain data. You'll need to go to something like TNM Download v2 (nationalmap.gov) to download the appropriate DEMS, and go from there importing them into DEMEX and all that huge process. It's a hassle, but the end result is a lot better to work with.

This is one example of a route I am doing, using the data from that website. Not much for mountains in the area, but the lower terrain has a lot of rolling hills.



One that shows the terrain better. This is on another route I am working on, with the data from that website, Data was imported into the route by Sean Kelly though, as he has more patience than I do. haha



I honestly never had luck with the terrain data or the maps that TSRE provided, they would always be incorrect terrain or the maps would be off course a bit.

[eric]

I made a decision years ago to no longer use markers if the imagery was available to set the right of way.

The terrain and maps out of both MapBox and Google Earth do seem to line up fairly well where where I'm modeling.

I do agree that the HGT generated terrain leaves a lot to be desired compared to Demex, and so does the terrain molding in TSRE. For places like the Midwest, it's not as noticeable as it is for Alaska, Colorado, Tennessee, etc. where you've got real mountains and hills.

[michelouim]

I should have mentionned that in am in the Los Angeles area, trying to model the SP Colton Sub in the SoCal Route. Quite a hilly place to be!!!

The markers were only used to see if the imported map with GEO was showing the same as i was seeing in Google Earth. And they match perfectly. So, it seems that the terrain height imported with GEO is incorrect, or not at the place it should be. Maybe, all i should do is place the tracks to match the height from GEO.

I am not quite familiar with DEMEX. I tried to use it once and I got a weird result, the height of a tile was not the same as the adjacent tiles on 2 sides and there was a gap between those tiles. So, i am now using GEO.

In GEO, when adding the terrain height to a tile, there is the possibility to use an "offset" that moves the height up or down. Is there a possibility to move it left or right?

Thanks

Michel

[CSXT Q-317]

using the GEO from TSRE itself isnt the best quality of terrain data. You'll need to go to something like TNM Download v2 (nationalmap.gov) to download the appropriate DEMS, and go from there importing them into DEMEX and all that huge process. It's a hassle, but the end result is a lot better to work with.

A couple of questions I have.

Are you using TSRE itself to create all of your tiles and then running Demex on the route after that? I ask that, because I have not been able to get the MSTS RE to run in years on the newer system that I have.

Secondly, what kind of settings on the Dem are suitable to get great-looking terrain?

I will admit that I need to go back through the Manual, to be honest.

[CSRX]

A couple of questions I have.

Are you using TSRE itself to create all of your tiles and then running Demex on the route after that? I ask that, because I have not been able to get the MSTS RE to run in years on the newer system that I have.

Secondly, what kind of settings on the Dem are suitable to get great-looking terrain?

I will admit that I need to go back through the Manual, to be honest.

The first question I can answer, the other I will have to answer when I take a look on my computer at home tomorrow night.

It takes time, but I manually go into TSRE and move along having tiles pop up with that feature of generate tiles that TSRE has. They are of course flat services, but that's okay. Generally what I do here is, I'll lay out a map view on the first tile and proceed creating tiles, and dropping map layouts as I go along to keep on course with the rail line. Generally I will create 3-4 tiles wide on either side of the rail line, maybe more if needed for larger mountain areas. I did with with the NB&M route, and took about an hour or a little more to lay out tiles for a 104 mile route.

[CSXT Q-317]

The first question I can answer, the other I will have to answer when I take a look on my computer at home tomorrow night.

It takes time, but I manually go into TSRE and move along having tiles pop up with that feature of generate tiles that TSRE has. They are of course flat services, but that's okay. Generally what I do here is, I'll lay out a map view on the first tile and proceed creating tiles, and dropping map layouts as I go along to keep on course with the rail line. Generally I will create 3-4 tiles wide on either side of the rail line, maybe more if needed for larger mountain areas. I did with with the NB&M route, and took about an hour or a little more to lay out tiles for a 104 mile route.

Thanks for the clarification. I will definitely try that approach. I had been using the HGT files in the GEO section of TSRE. In which I can see why there are hardly any fans of that option.