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  • landnrailroader
    4000 Post Veteran



    • Nov 1999
    • 4171
    • Jacksonville,, FL, USA.
    • ORTS

    #1

    Last Routes

    I expect that the last few days have seen the last of my route creations. As I guess many have seen, Google plans to discontinue support for Google Earth in 6/2027. So I decided I had better go ahead and digitize the routes I HOPE to produce at least to the level of working but incomplete. I have around 10 routes, all prototype, in the queue. So what are these last two, maybe 3.

    First is the entire loaded train route of MRS Logistica. Parts of it have been done by folks in Brazil, but most of those cover the empty train route. In 2011, the company I worked for then got a contract to provide new signal controls etc. for at least the loaded train route. From recent ground views, it appears to me that the actual signals may or may not have been included since those in use appear to be the SA searchlight type rather than some variation of an inline signal. The line is easily traced on GE and while the heights are not great at the summits, several i.e., the terrain is rugged. Much of the loaded train route, i.e. Barra Manza to the ore pits near Belo Horizonte was built new in the 1980s, so modern contructioin methods were used and one result is that in the first 55KM, there are more than 50 tunnels, and in roughly 250KM there are 70+ and one of these is the longest in S.A. at least when it was constructed. The idea was to keep grades reasonable and so there are only a few places that exceed 1%. There are more than a 100 bridges, many of which are tall and long, but most of them are made of deck girder spans on tall concrete pillars, rather than the steel towers common in the US. Most bridges do not have guard rails and they do have cat walks on both sides of the track. My friends that went to Brazil to study the situation said the track gauge was 5 feet but I suspect it is actually 1.5 meters +-. I did make one mistake in that the first partt, MRS01 should extend from the ore port through Barra do Paria to Barra Manza, and the 2nd part from there to the pits, but I erred and have done the first part all the way to Barra Manza. My friends took a lot of pictures, both for design purposes and for what they called "tourist" pictures. Well we have in this country a chain of motels called "Motel Six". However in Brazil Portuguese, this comes out Motel SEX so there were a lot of friendly jabs about that. I enjoyed the time I had with the MRS folks who came to our facility. I drafted (CAD) nearly all of the typicals and as I would enter nomenclature in English, they would translate it, and then I would enter it on another level in Brazil Portuguese. So this is one of them.

    In 1946, when I was wee lad of 7, my mother & grandmother just had to visit their daughter/sister who lived on a farm outside Spencer, IA. The war was over and the Interstate abomination was a few years in the future. Airlines were for the wealthy or adverturous, rail was the primary mode for long distance travel. So reservations were made for coach from Nashville to Chicago by the L&N and C&EI. The train was the Dixie Limited as I recall. Then Chicago to Spencer was on the Milwaukee Road in a gasp, DRAWING ROOM, real luxury at bargain price in those days. Mother wanted me to see the Mississippi R. so the porter was asked to bang on our door when we stopped at Praire du Chein, WI and he did, so I to this day remember seeing the expanse of water ---- AND --- I wondered about side to side sway of the car. Years later I found that it was FLOATING bridge, really a large barge with a trestle of sorts on it. The track inside this trestle arrangement was jacked up/down to match the height of the rails on the fixed structures as the river rose & fell. I would go this way two more times, 1954 and 1959 and by 1961, the decision had been made to not replace the aging bridge and so the train, the Sioux was discontinued. By 1959 it terminated at Canton, SD but in earlier years it had run all the way to Rapid City, SD and was a favorite way for cattle men to go to Chicago to sell cattle, which would have gone ahead a day or two in stock cars. Today, the railroad, which is now CPKC terminates much further east, but still serves Spencer, IA. The line climbs out of the Mississippi Valley from Marquette, IA on a grade that does not exceed about 1.25% and after that it is essentially level except that there are slight ups/downs like what those of in the south call "hogbacks". There are long tangents, some of several miles and today the most interest feature is the Ethanol plants. At least two are owned by Valero, and there are others. Most of the old grain elevators are gone but more modern ones are still seen in several locations. Back in the days I rode the train, you could look out the rear door (easy, in '59 there was only one coach) and sometimes see 2 or more elevators lined up in a row covering 10 miles or so.

    One other route that I am considering, and that I have data for, is the C&EI from Evansville to Chicago, 280 miles which I would probably break at Danville which I recall was a crew change point.

    I like to use Google Earth and tend to make a lot of data points. Then I go over the digitized lines and manually record and enter things like turnout, road crossings, bridge abutments etc. In digitizing, I do not put points on the ends of bridge or directly on turnouts

    Jerry Sullivan
  • eric
    9500 Post Veteran and Administrator



    • Dec 2002
    • 9583
    • NS MP245.4 CNO&TP South District
    • English, SQL
    • General

    #2
    My understanding is that if you have it installed, it will continue to work.

    I've also saved the installer somewhere just in case.
    If you like what you see here at Trainsim.com, be it the discussions and knowledge in the forums, or items available in our library, I hope you'll consider a paid membership to help support keeping the site operating.... Thanks!

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    • demando
      Senior Member


      • Aug 2008
      • 387
      • Woodland, California

      #3
      Jerry, have you tried using the web version of Google Earth? I find it's much easier to draw on. I myself am working on mapping out the entire Eastern North Carolina area from Charlotte to Raleigh, and everything towards the Atlantic.
      "Dream as if you'll live forever. Live as if you'll die today." - James Dean
      calrouteprojectmstsorts.weebly.com/
      https://cprrorts.weebly.com/
      Cheers, S. J. Hjellum

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      • landnrailroader
        4000 Post Veteran



        • Nov 1999
        • 4171
        • Jacksonville,, FL, USA.
        • ORTS

        #4
        Eric,

        Yes, I understand that too but we all know from past experience that whatever database GE links too will eventually disappear too and then it just useless code clogging up your PC. I have noticed demando's comment and I may take a look at it. Several routes still need to be gone over closely to locate turnouts, crossings, etc.

        Jerry

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        • Rick-MONON
          1500 Post Veteran
          • Feb 2008
          • 1795
          • Elizabethtown, Ky
          • ORTS

          #5
          Jerry

          Did you ever finish the Louisville to Nashville route?
          Rick

          http:\\mononrr.com

          MONON-2

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          • TrainSimJack
            Senior Member
            • Jul 2022
            • 527

            #6
            I'll second the suggestion for the web version of Google Earth - It imports / exports the same format (KML) and you can use files KML files stored locally or in your google account.

            Also I have to say I'm glad google earth is the reason you stated, For a second you had me worried there was a new health concern!

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            • eric
              9500 Post Veteran and Administrator



              • Dec 2002
              • 9583
              • NS MP245.4 CNO&TP South District
              • English, SQL
              • General

              #7
              Google Earth uses the standard API's that Google sells to developers, and I don't see those going away. Maintaining software to run on a bunch of different operating systems is certainly not the wave of the future.

              Sent from my SM-S911U using Tapatalk

              If you like what you see here at Trainsim.com, be it the discussions and knowledge in the forums, or items available in our library, I hope you'll consider a paid membership to help support keeping the site operating.... Thanks!

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              • landnrailroader
                4000 Post Veteran



                • Nov 1999
                • 4171
                • Jacksonville,, FL, USA.
                • ORTS

                #8
                Friends,

                No health issues unless being 87.6 in years is a health issue. My MD repeated claims that my lack of tobacco or booze use for my whole life is the reason I am still doing well. Some balance problems, but guys, sometimes the ladies we date, but which nothing ever comes of it, are the most helpful. In 1988, 2 years after my wife of 11 years died with breast Ca on a blind date I met such a lady. She was arguably the best high school English teacher around and when she was born in 1942, her left foot was approximately where her knee should have been. The only option then was to amputate & use a thigh length prosthesis, so our first date she said that if she started to fall, not to help, as I might hurt myself. She said she had a lot of practise fallling & would be more concerned about messing up her dress. So it was, and twice, she did fall, and twice I helped her up and then I asked her what was the secret. It is simple and any of you that have age related balance issues, which I do, slightly, remember this. JUST RELAX. Turn your head one way or the other and generally the worst will be some skinned areas. If you tighten up and try to break the fall, you will probably break a bone sooner or later. My MD also cleared me for another go at the C&TS the last week in Sept. when he said that my oxygen saturation was 99%. Then the last week in Oct. we take a Kelly bus tour up the east coast as far as PA. My wife set this up BEFORE she realized that it involved THREE train rides. Strasburgh, Lehigh something or other, and Virginia Blue Ridge. I have been over the route of the latter a few times before Amtrak, on the George Washington (C&O) but I was riding on my SR business pass and sound asleep in a roomette. The Cardinal takes this route now over the Buckingham Branch RR (shortline from Richmond to Clifton Forge).

                Jerry

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                • landnrailroader
                  4000 Post Veteran



                  • Nov 1999
                  • 4171
                  • Jacksonville,, FL, USA.
                  • ORTS

                  #9
                  L&N MainStem, first & 2nd Subs. More or less. I finished the track including fairly detailed track layouts of Louisville and Nashville but I haven't put in any details. It is operable, and I plan to install correctly named bungalows for the control points and road crossings, as well as Mileposts. Then I will release it as "incomplete". Evidently this works as I checked on my Virginian route (started by Simon in the Netherlands) which has been in the library a couple of years and it has been downloaded around 300 times if I read it right so maybe somebody will finish that one. Simon did really well with Mullins yard & other places and I filled in with the coal mines, and extended it north to the Kanawha River and south to Roanoke.

                  Jerry

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                  • landnrailroader
                    4000 Post Veteran



                    • Nov 1999
                    • 4171
                    • Jacksonville,, FL, USA.
                    • ORTS

                    #10
                    I imagine the web version is okay but I haven't foumd it yet, where the site is to get it? Thought I would try it out.

                    Jerry

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                    • demando
                      Senior Member


                      • Aug 2008
                      • 387
                      • Woodland, California

                      #11
                      You can find it at earth.google.com/web/
                      I find it easier to make points, often maybe a mile, then with zooming in you can adjust to your hearts content. Plus, if the points are too far away, or you want to add more points, there middle points between two that can become another point. On my upcoming Eastern North Carolina Route Project, I'm working on adjusting the South End Subdivision from Rocky Mount to the NC/SC state line.
                      "Dream as if you'll live forever. Live as if you'll die today." - James Dean
                      calrouteprojectmstsorts.weebly.com/
                      https://cprrorts.weebly.com/
                      Cheers, S. J. Hjellum

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                      • scottb613
                        2500 Post Veteran


                        • Apr 2003
                        • 2848
                        • Downeast Maine (soon)
                        • ORTS

                        #12

                        Originally posted by landnrailroader
                        I imagine the web version is okay but I haven't foumd it yet, where the site is to get it? Thought I would try it out.

                        Jerry

                        Hi Jerry,

                        While you have certainly done your duty on contributing routes to the community and owe us nothing - why are you letting GE stop you if you wish to continue.

                        What does GE have that you can't get elsewhere? TSRE has sat imagery and maps? My new LIDEX application makes automated terrain generation for an entire route as simple as a couple of clicks. No more finding, downloading, processing, and generating terrain from individual geoTIFF's. It's made from 1m LIDAR - the best terrain data that's ever been available for free. It far outclasses what can be obtained from 10m or 30m data which is all we've ever seen. You can actually see and make out grades visually on routes - if any part of the ROW still exists.

                        You won't get this with DEMEX.


                        Just a thought - stay well.


                        Regards,
                        Scott
                        Last edited by scottb613; 08-08-2026, 14:50.
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                        • landnrailroader
                          4000 Post Veteran



                          • Nov 1999
                          • 4171
                          • Jacksonville,, FL, USA.
                          • ORTS

                          #13
                          Scott,

                          I'm not stopping. I have 6 routes that I have generated terrain for, created marker files (so I will be sure to have enough terrain space, or remove any I don't need) and then set aside to work on others. My next "nearly complete" is probably going to be the L&N Knoxville Division in total, Corbin, KY to Etowah, TN, which includes all of the SR (NS) routes in/out of Knoxville. Then there is interest shown by "Monon" for my MainLline sub. (us true L&Ners call it the Main Stem, 1st & 2nd Subs.) so I will add some critical location items, bungalows at control points & active road crossings, and passive protection at other crossinigs, and then release that, likely early next spring. In all, I count 12 routes that are set up and just need more attention. This includes a better version of the D&RGW (Cumbres & Toltec) line (better be better, my other hobby is being a docent there annually, though age may make this my last year to do that). Also Chama to Durango, and Alamosa to Santa Fe (abandoned south of Antonito in 1941, but much of the grade is still visible). How about the Camas Prairie or the SP&S line up the Deschutes River. Oh, and I keep a list of what has been worked on, but not released, and I have shown my son-in-law how to upload routes and if I get my last Form A and running orders before I am finished, he will upload them.

                          I have looked at the web version of GE but I can't find instructions for it and I am sure your program is great, but at 87, almost 88, I don't want to spend time learning something new when I can use what I have as long as possible.

                          Jerry

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                          • scottb613
                            2500 Post Veteran


                            • Apr 2003
                            • 2848
                            • Downeast Maine (soon)
                            • ORTS

                            #14
                            Originally posted by landnrailroader
                            Scott,

                            I'm not stopping. I have 6 routes that I have generated terrain for, created marker files (so I will be sure to have enough terrain space, or remove any I don't need) and then set aside to work on others. My next "nearly complete" is probably going to be the L&N Knoxville Division in total, Corbin, KY to Etowah, TN, which includes all of the SR (NS) routes in/out of Knoxville. Then there is interest shown by "Monon" for my MainLline sub. (us true L&Ners call it the Main Stem, 1st & 2nd Subs.) so I will add some critical location items, bungalows at control points & active road crossings, and passive protection at other crossinigs, and then release that, likely early next spring. In all, I count 12 routes that are set up and just need more attention. This includes a better version of the D&RGW (Cumbres & Toltec) line (better be better, my other hobby is being a docent there annually, though age may make this my last year to do that). Also Chama to Durango, and Alamosa to Santa Fe (abandoned south of Antonito in 1941, but much of the grade is still visible). How about the Camas Prairie or the SP&S line up the Deschutes River. Oh, and I keep a list of what has been worked on, but not released, and I have shown my son-in-law how to upload routes and if I get my last Form A and running orders before I am finished, he will upload them.

                            I have looked at the web version of GE but I can't find instructions for it and I am sure your program is great, but at 87, almost 88, I don't want to spend time learning something new when I can use what I have as long as possible.

                            Jerry
                            Hi Jerry,

                            Sorry - I misunderstood - I thought you were giving up on route building - because - of GE.

                            Keep on Truck'n - sir.

                            Regards,
                            Scott
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                            • MSTS lifer
                              Senior Member

                              • Dec 2012
                              • 523

                              #15
                              So a question. I understand about what Eric said about as long as you have GE installed on the desktop or have the installer(s) it will still work come 2027. What about the web version. I looked at it and at a glance I don't see a way to do KML markers like on the desktop version. I've been using KML markers for going on a decade for my Railwoks routes and like those over anthing else.
                              Last edited by MSTS lifer; 08-17-2026, 13:18.

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