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  • charland
    3000 Post Veteran


    • Dec 2006
    • 3107
    • Brockville, ON, CA
    • General

    #1

    Route Rescue 9-1-1




    Back in August of 2020 I planned a mid 1950s route for the Dominion Atlantic Railway. In 1956 they were still using steam on passenger and fright, had just acquired wo MLW S-2s to use on the gypsum trains, and two new RDCs that would supplement the steam trains until replacing them totally in the next year. I thought it would be an interesting combination.

    I took a copy of the DARv3 and started removing the southern 120 miles of track, scenery and tiles, trimming it back to be pretty much the original DAV route but with more modern scenery and structures. When I was finished I ran the remains through a TDB rebuild in MSTS Route Editor, I checked for errors in TSRE and ran the route through Route-Riter. All three gave it a clean bill of health so the work to backdate the route 20 year began.

    The goal was to add the Kingsboro and Weston Branches out of Kentville. These served the rural communities on the north side of the Cornwallis River. Heavy traffic in late summer and fall during the fruit and vegetable harvest season but little more during the rest of the year. Both branches closed in 1960. The real major addition was going to be completing the Truro Sub between Windsor and Truro, some 55 miles. Truro was the connection to the Canadian National and over half the cars interchanged to the DAR.

    Close to two years later I was three miles from Truro and the completion of the route when bad things started happening. I regularly checked the route for errors, found and fixed them but TSRE started showing errors and locations that didn't make any sense. Locations out in the woods no where near any tracks or roads sort of thing. When I was able to go to the location of an error and find track that I would replace, the number of errors would just increase. The problems got to the point I could no longer open the route in MSTS RE and when I hit 175 errors in TSRE and in September of 2024 I gave up after a month of trying to figure out what was going on with the route. I suspected that it might be something left over from me removing everything south of Coldbrook.

    About a month ago I woke up in the middle of the night and for some reason thought I should try a copy of what remained of the route and just delete all the data bases and see what would happen. I've been around for a while and never heard of anyone doing that to a route they were having trouble with. That morning I opened a couple and deleted the four files plus their back-ups. When I opened the route everything was still there other then nothing was written to the none existent data bases. When I moved to a tile that had any interactives left in the World files, I was told to delete them which I did. By selecting each piece of track they were written to the TDB, roads were written to the RDB. Dynamic Track just needed to be selected to come to life. Out of the dozens of pieces only three needed to be replaced. Took a few days but I was able to run on the route again. I was able to do a TDB rebuild in MSTS Route Editor until I went into TSRE and selected to two turntables. I've added track and started adding scenery back and still no errors reported in TSRE.

    So, nice to have the project beck on after writing it of a year ago.

    Paul :-)
  • Coonskin
    3000 Post Veteran

    • Aug 2002
    • 3226
    • Poteau, OK, USA.

    #2
    Paul:

    Oh yes, over the decades that process has saved my butt several times with MSTS RE. Manual tdb/rdb rebuilds are essentially 100% successful. It's tedious, but in a desperate situation, as I said, essentially 100% successful!

    Yes, it is always a good feeling to salvage a route that I have trashed.

    Andre
    Andre Ming
    V Scale Creations.com R.I.P

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    • pwillard
      3000 Post Veteran



      • Nov 1999
      • 3070
      • Cumming Ga
      • ORTS

      #3
      I'm always amazed at how fragile routes are.
      http://www.railsimstuff.com
      Just Blender now, 3DCrafter only when I have to.
      Formerly The Keystone Works (All Permissions Granted)
      Things I work on: https://github.com/pwillard

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      • charland
        3000 Post Veteran


        • Dec 2006
        • 3107
        • Brockville, ON, CA
        • General

        #4
        When I built the original version of the DAR it was stable for the very most part. Just around the time I was finishing things I was there was a piece of dynamic track that broke. It was about a half degree of 2000m radius with a straight at one end in the same time Windsor is. It kept breaking when I replaced it with a new piece of dynamic track with the same specs so I replaced it with two pieces, one curved and one straight. When I was adding the track back a few weeks ago most of the dynamic track was added just by selecting it. The next morning I found two pieces on the Windsor tile that were only partially shown with the tdb line above and had to replace them. I wondered if there is something strange with the tile.

        Paul :-)

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        • Coonskin
          3000 Post Veteran

          • Aug 2002
          • 3226
          • Poteau, OK, USA.

          #5
          Originally posted by pwillard
          I'm always amazed at how fragile routes are.
          Can't speak for Paul, but the vast percent of my route woes have been self-inflicted. Examples:

          * Get too caught up and in too big of a hurry slapping track down with no "saves" in the past couple of hours, and thus overload the memory.
          * Too careless with the select/move feature with track.
          * Too careless with the "T" key (reverse ends)

          As with working with any tools/machines, there are basics on correctly handling the tool/machine and well as safety precautions. Ignore them and you're asking for trouble. Just like when working with tools/machines, when I practice good track work habits and "save" within reasonable time spans, essentially zero issues. When I get too careless and in too big of a hurry: It can bite me in the butt.

          Andre

          Andre Ming
          V Scale Creations.com R.I.P

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          • charland
            3000 Post Veteran


            • Dec 2006
            • 3107
            • Brockville, ON, CA
            • General

            #6
            I'm still using MSTS Route Editor and I still lose work because when I do remember to hit the save button it decides to to croak. Luckily that's usually only twenty minutes of work I lose but it does get you a little pissed off! I've found over the years if I'm looking down at a steep angle and rotate the camera it just crashes to desktop.

            've learned over the years that if everything is working well, it's probably going to cause a crash!

            Paul :-)

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            • Coonskin
              3000 Post Veteran

              • Aug 2002
              • 3226
              • Poteau, OK, USA.

              #7
              charland

              I still use MSTS RE also. I know the program like the back of my hand, and I know the problem areas, and I've always been able to salvage my work under the most catastrophic advents. LOL!

              Andre
              Andre Ming
              V Scale Creations.com R.I.P

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              • charland
                3000 Post Veteran


                • Dec 2006
                • 3107
                • Brockville, ON, CA
                • General

                #8
                That's why I still us MSTS RE, I know what to expect. There are times I use TSRE, like the DAR route I'm working on. It has two operating turntables so i can't do a TDB rebuild anymore in RE so now I check in TSRE regularly for any errors.

                Paul :-)

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                • eric
                  9500 Post Veteran and Administrator



                  • Dec 2002
                  • 9583
                  • NS MP245.4 CNO&TP South District
                  • English, SQL
                  • General

                  #9
                  There is a TDB rebuild in TSRE 8.005 but admittedly it hasn't seen a lot of testing.

                  Not sure if the turntable would be picked up but I may have to try it to find out...

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                  • charland
                    3000 Post Veteran


                    • Dec 2006
                    • 3107
                    • Brockville, ON, CA
                    • General

                    #10
                    I just had the strangest error. Before I stopped for lunch I placed a few road pieces including a railroad crossing. I was using cr2l2wnaStrt5mmnpsl pieces on both sides of the crossing... this is a stop line with no "X" because the X's weren't added in Canada until the late 1960s. When I went back to work on the roads I got error messages saying the extended shape file was missing for cr2l2wnaStpt5mmnpsl... that's St"p"t not St:r"p. One side of the crossing still have the proper road piece and the other side had the road data lines above but no shape. This piece doesn't exist, so how could RE ever claim it as an error. Took a while but I eventually had to take copies of the real piece and change the names to Stpt, then I was able to open the tile in TSRE, select and remove the piece from the database, then delete the shape.

                    Paul :-)

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