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  • landnrailroader
    4000 Post Veteran



    • Nov 1999
    • 4171
    • Jacksonville,, FL, USA.
    • ORTS

    #1

    Track Chart issues

    If you can get a fairly recent track chart of the real railroad you want to simulate, it will probably be accurate but it may not have the wealth of information that was used in the old hand drawn or early CAD years. Case in point: Paris, KY to Maysville, KY branch of the L&N, now a shortline. The track chart that was available (from the L&NHS group) at a modest price was originally done in 1942 by hand and while there are upgrades, there is no date of such. This line would make a dog's hind leg look straight in comparison, so at mile 128.6 (from Louisville) we come to what is shown to be a 2 degree curve. But when we attempt to use 2 degree Mtrack pieces we find that whatever this curve is, it is a lot sharper than 2 degrees. In my professional experience I have seen many curves that were made sharper by the action of trains, especially if the engines were of the SD, i.e. 6 wheel trucks, variety. It is seen more often on branches that probably don't get as much maintenance as main lines.

    So if you have digitized the line, using Google Earth (or I suppose some similiar program), carefully, you can determine what the degree of curve should be. Use the measuring tool and strike a line from the track out toward the center of the curve and perpindicular to the track. Save the result and do it again from another point and save. Where the lines cross is near the center of the curve, so you can measure from that point to the curve in meters. In my case this comes out to be 553 meters. Now a two degree curve would be 1746/2 = 873 meters, so 1746/553 = 3.15 degrees, or 3 degrees, 9 minutes. In M-tracks we have 3 degree or 3 degree, 30 minute curves, so we will use a 3 degree, or if we want to be really precise we can use dynamic track but I prefer to use as little of that as I can.

    Note when using Google Earth to digitize a route, frequently hit the "R" key which will keep your view as near perpindicular to the ground as possible, otherwise parallax errors creep in.

    Jerry Sullivan
  • c44d9w
    Member
    • May 2010
    • 58

    #2
    Also note that curves use easements. A curve gradually increases the sharpness, holds the desired sharpness, and then gradually eases out again. The radius at the start and end of the curve is larger than in the middle of the curve. In degrees, the degrees of the curve are less at the start and at the end.
    I am assuming that the charts report the sharpest part of the curve. So the effect of easements is the opposite of what Jerry reports above.

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    • kraus
      1000 Post Veteran

      • Jan 2001
      • 1086
      • Madison, Wisconsin
      • General

      #3
      File tracks1.zip has extra single-track curves that are designed for use with easements. Also included is an Excel spreadsheet to convert between track curve and radius. These tracks shapes are also included in the A tracks package.

      https://www.trainsim.com/forums/file...leid?fid=74369

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      • landnrailroader
        4000 Post Veteran



        • Nov 1999
        • 4171
        • Jacksonville,, FL, USA.
        • ORTS

        #4
        Correct C44d9W & Kraus. Curves do have easements or what us railroad engineering folks call "spirals" and these vary from road to road. Chessie, L&N, Southern, and many others used what is called a 10-chord spiral. What this means is that there are 10 smooth changes in curvature, up to the maximum, in a curvee. Conversely this may not work well for some motive power, so on the Union Pacific when they started using 4-12-2 locomotives many years ago, they had to come up with a different calculation, and likewise the "D", 4 axle trucks of the big diesels of 1969 or so, required a different spiral. What I usually do, is that if there is a significant variation in what a single curve will be compared to the digitized path, I will eyeball easements or spirals at each end. For a 5 degree curve, I probably start out with a 1.5 degree, then 3 degrees, then 5 degrees, and I might have a 2 degree in it as well. Again, I want to create a reasonably correct curve without relying on dynamic track. As a rule of thumb, 1/3 spiral - 1/3 curve - 1/3 spiral. Now a few miles ahead in the route I am doing, there is a 2 degree curve, which with easements or spirals, is almost a mile in length - those are really "fun".

        Jerry

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        • conductorchris
          2500 Post Veteran

          • Mar 2010
          • 2905
          • Vermont
          • General

          #5
          There is one rail line that does not have easements (spirals) and that is the Metro North New Haven line which was built before rail engineering had reached that point. This fact limits the speed beyond what the curve calculation would ordinarily suggest.
          Christopher

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