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  • scottb613
    2500 Post Veteran


    • Apr 2003
    • 2848
    • Downeast Maine (soon)
    • ORTS

    #1

    SCO Lehigh and Hudson River 1950

    Hi Folks,

    Just figured I'd start a thread on my Route Project - another take on the Lehigh and Hudson River Railroad. While Rich did an absolutely incredible job on his version - it was truly cutting edge at the time - it's a bit dated now. I couldn't even imagine attempting something like this in the early days of the tiny screen MSTS Editor - as oppsed to now with TSRE on 32" monitors at 2K resolution. A few things have bothered me enough to want to make some improvement. The available geo data has improved greatly over the years - so all new terrain mesh. Some of the track work was a bit like a rollercoaster - especially the branch to Port Morris - so I am working very hard to make absolutely smooth connections and grade transitions. I've been making my own vegetation for many years - attempting to hone my craft - so improved vegetation. I'm pretty handy with Blender - so improved models. The route will be set in 1950 - give or take - so the Alco RS3's will be the new kids on the block - while the roster will still be mostly steam. Finally - I want the southern end to terminate in Hudson Yard vs Martins Creek.

    Note: No power plant near Belvidere - due to year modeled
    Note: No chemical plant near Great Meadows - due to year modeled.

    Note: Already using Travis's great working turntable (just need to figure out how to make them work) - I need four.
    Note: Plan on using Travis's PRR, UQ Semaphore, and some Searchlight Signal packs.

    I've finally got the hang of track basics - this is the most track I've ever placed - by far.

    Green is complete - Red is work in progress. By mileage - I'm more half done - total miles around 100.

    Track Progress
    • 01|Maybrook Yard
    • 02|Burnside
    • 03|Girarde
    • 04|Hamptonburg
    • 05|Farmingdale
    • 06|Craigville
    • 07|Greycourt
    • 08|Chester
    • 09|SugarLoaf
    • 10|Lake
    • 11|Durland
    • 12|Stonebridge
    • 13|Warwick Yard
    • 14|Milford
    • 15|NY/NJ
    • 17|Vernon
    • 18|SandHills
    • 19|McAfee
    • 20|Hamburg
    • 21|Franklin
    • 22|LakeGrinnell
    • 23|Sparta
    • 24|Andover
    • 25|Tranquility
    • 26|Allamuchy
    • 27|LongBridge
    • 28|GreatMeadows
    • 29|Townsbury
    • 30|Pequest
    • 31|Butzville
    • 32|Belvidere
    • 33|MartinsCrk
    • 34|Hudson Yard
    • 35|PortMorris Yard

    I've already built most of the locomotive fleet from 1950 - but they'll get a refresh.

    1950 Locomotive Roster
    • 50 Series - 280 - Camelback - Wooten Firebox
    • 60 Series - 280 - Camelback - Wooten Firebox
    • 70 Series - 282 - Mikado - Wooten Firebox
    • 80 Series - 282 - Mikado - USRA Light
    • 90 Series - 280 - Consolidation - Heavy Wooten Firebox
    • 10 Series - 482 - Mountain - Heavy B&M R1D Copy
    • 01 Series - RS3 - Phase I Alco

    It won't be done tomorrow - and I work in spurts. We don't have that many published route projects to chat about - one more couldn't hurt. Hopefully - I'll get it finished someday.


    Hudson Yard - Southern Terminus



    Martins Creek - trackage rights over the PRR



    Martins Creek - LNE up the very steep grade to Bangor



    Port Morris - trackage rights over the DL&W



    Franklin - Zinc Processing





    Regards,
    Scott
    Last edited by scottb613; 04-04-2025, 09:04.
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  • lineman
    Senior Member

    • Mar 2007
    • 539
    • Phoenix AZ
    • General

    #2
    Looks like a great start so far!

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    • Orbita
      Senior Member

      • Oct 2020
      • 324
      • Somewhere on the NYC Water Level Route surrounded by corn
      • English, Limited French
      • MSOR

      #3
      Nice progress so far! Looking forward to seeing a Maybrook Yard without the odd terrain bugs I've encountered in the old versions.

      Will this new version have some of the segments of Erie and NYOW like Rich's version?
      Kyle

      NYC - Road of the Future

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      • rfranzosa
        1000 Post Veteran


        • Mar 2005
        • 1302
        • Cincinnati, OH, USA.

        #4
        One of my favorite routes. Frankly, anything New Haven related is bound to be a favorite. I’ll have to update my “Maybrook” set to match. 😉


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        Rick Franzosa - ZosaTrains
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        • scottb613
          2500 Post Veteran


          • Apr 2003
          • 2848
          • Downeast Maine (soon)
          • ORTS

          #5
          Hi Folks,

          Thanks for the interest.


          Originally posted by lineman
          Looks like a great start so far!
          Thanks - much - yeah - after all these years - finally getting the basics of track down.

          Originally posted by Orbita
          Nice progress so far! Looking forward to seeing a Maybrook Yard without the odd terrain bugs I've encountered in the old versions.

          Will this new version have some of the segments of Erie and NYOW like Rich's version?
          I definitely don't want any of the crossing railroads - ends - in sight of the LHR. I built the LNE all the way up the massive hill at Martins Creek - so you could potentially start an activity as the LNE working down the grade. Rich only modeled one of two massive cement plants on that side of the Delaware - if you like switching - you could spend hours over there without ever crossing the river to the LHR side. I grew up between Hamptonburg and Farmingdale - so that area is of a particular interest to me. We'll see.

          I did have a discussion with Rich on why Maybrook differed so much from reality - he stated it was a "white void" issue there - I don't think we have that anymore. I have terrain mesh all the way up to the Kingston Bridge and I haven't noticed any anomalies.

          The New Haven was simply double track mainline to the bridge - no sidings - as far as I can tell. I had half a mind of putting in the Kingston Bridge - but - having to model the city of Poughkeepsie has me thinking - no way. Keep it manageable - Scott.

          Originally posted by rfranzosa
          One of my favorite routes. Frankly, anything New Haven related is bound to be a favorite. I’ll have to update my “Maybrook” set to match. 😉


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          Very cool - Rick - I think that was the very first set I purchased from you guys. I wish there was more interest in this era - instead of the bland spartan utilitarian - gevo tevo - era.


          I found a couple cool picks to help with modeling.

          I wish I could find something on Hudson Yard - it seems completely undocumented. I did find a very old shot with the turntable and the terrain mesh still has a dimple where I placed the turntable in the first shot - but the rest is a swag.

          Port Morris
          PortMorris.jpg

          Franklin Zinc Mines
          FranklinMill-aerialview.jpg

          One for Rick - Maybrook
          R.jpg

          The whole reason the L&HR existed - the Kingston Bridge over the Hudson
          R (1).jpg

          Regards,
          Scott
          Last edited by scottb613; 04-05-2025, 10:29.
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          • rfranzosa
            1000 Post Veteran


            • Mar 2005
            • 1302
            • Cincinnati, OH, USA.

            #6
            Yeah, I was going to ask about an extension over the Hudson to Devon😊


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            • bennycdn
              Senior Member

              • Sep 2005
              • 384
              • Fayetteville,OH/Chicoutimi,Québec
              • Run8

              #7
              This was one of my favorite routes,when I use to do MSTS and OpenRails. I've gone over to Run8. This could entice me back. Thanks Scott.

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              • CSRX
                13500 Post Veteran



                • Oct 2005
                • 13646
                • Lincoln, ME
                • English
                • ORTS

                #8
                I've always enjoyed the L&HR route, and I've played around with it for the NYSW, so this will be a nice new addition.
                -Shawn K-
                MEC Mountain Subdivision - Trackwork 70%, Scenery 35%
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                • l.k.
                  Member
                  • Apr 2013
                  • 44
                  • Southwestern Germany
                  • English, German, French

                  #9
                  Your L&HR models are among my favorite steam locomotives to run in Open Rails - and the progress you've shown of your Alco diesel looks equally as impressive. It's great to hear, that they are getting an up to date route to run on now as well. I'm still running both old versions from time to time - still very enjoyable, but I agree, that they are a bit dated now. And there never can be enough transition era routes in my book... For me, that's the most interesting period in railroad history (in America as well as in Europe and elsewhere).

                  Looking forward to following your progress (having no clue about route building mysell, I still enjoy seeing it all come together).

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                  • longiron
                    1000 Post Veteran and Moderator

                    • Jan 2007
                    • 1453
                    • Just south of NYC

                    #10
                    Scott,
                    this looks like a super project. If you need anything, please let me know.
                    Chris
                    "True rail fans have two favorite railroads. The B&O and one other."

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                    • scottb613
                      2500 Post Veteran


                      • Apr 2003
                      • 2848
                      • Downeast Maine (soon)
                      • ORTS

                      #11
                      Originally posted by bennycdn
                      This was one of my favorite routes,when I use to do MSTS and OpenRails. I've gone over to Run8. This could entice me back. Thanks Scott.
                      Hi Benny,

                      Hah - yeah - the lack of this era is one major hurdle that keeps me away from Run8 - I get bored pretty quick with modern railroading. Thanks.

                      Originally posted by CSRX
                      I've always enjoyed the L&HR route, and I've played around with it for the NYSW, so this will be a nice new addition.
                      Hi Shawn,

                      I used to see the NYSW at the station in Otisville NY on occasion - I haven't seen them come through in years. One night they even had an SD45 (possibly) in BN paint - only time I've ever seen that in the RW. I wish I could figure out when they come through - I would probably take a ride to the station just to see them again. Thanks.

                      Originally posted by l.k.
                      Your L&HR models are among my favorite steam locomotives to run in Open Rails - and the progress you've shown of your Alco diesel looks equally as impressive. It's great to hear, that they are getting an up to date route to run on now as well. I'm still running both old versions from time to time - still very enjoyable, but I agree, that they are a bit dated now. And there never can be enough transition era routes in my book... For me, that's the most interesting period in railroad history (in America as well as in Europe and elsewhere).

                      Looking forward to following your progress (having no clue about route building mysell, I still enjoy seeing it all come together).
                      Hi...

                      Glad to hear someone enjoys them - the quality of my modeling has increased exponentially - (IMHO) - since making the jump to Blender - as I started putting far more polys into them. Performance doesn't seem to suffer that much with high poly (50K range) models. I'm looking forward on getting my new Mountains out there - so many projects - so little time [sigh]. I had seen some images a while back of some incredible steam routes in Poland - IIRC - but I seldom get out of my Northeast US comfort zone. 3 languages - wow - that's truly impressive. Thanks for the comments.


                      Originally posted by longiron
                      Scott,
                      this looks like a super project. If you need anything, please let me know.
                      Hi Chris,

                      Thanks!!! Ditto. Greatly appreciated - I think you and I are the only two working this era for US content. I recall years ago when we discussed backdating the original Sandpatch.

                      Regards,
                      Scott
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                      • scottb613
                        2500 Post Veteran


                        • Apr 2003
                        • 2848
                        • Downeast Maine (soon)
                        • ORTS

                        #12
                        Originally posted by rfranzosa
                        Yeah, I was going to ask about an extension over the Hudson to Devon😊


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                        Hi Rick,

                        Cities are tough to pull off well - I would have to say the best I've ever seen is Rick and his wonder of the Train Sim modeling world - the Monon. I've always been thoroughly impressed on how well he transitioned from the deep dark canyons of downtown Chicago - to the busy suburbs - to the rolling hills of the rural farmlands. The man's an artist.

                        Regards,
                        Scott
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                        • scottb613
                          2500 Post Veteran


                          • Apr 2003
                          • 2848
                          • Downeast Maine (soon)
                          • ORTS

                          #13
                          Hi Folks,

                          Pulling into Warwick - the place where my daughter was born 30 years ago - I don't think I've been back since then.

                          The plan is to finish the trackwork - test a bunch - load signals and crossings - test a bunch - then start on scenery.

                          I'll probably upload the track when I get it done - if anyone has any interest - a different set of eyeballs would probably help.

                          The track needs to be absolutely bulletproof or I'm wasting my time.

                          Track Progress
                          • 01|Maybrook Yard
                          • 02|Burnside
                          • 03|Girarde
                          • 04|Hamptonburg
                          • 05|Farmingdale
                          • 06|Craigville
                          • 07|Greycourt
                          • 08|Chester
                          • 09|SugarLoaf
                          • 10|Lake
                          • 11|Durland
                          • 12|Stonebridge
                          • 13|Warwick Yard
                          • 14|Milford
                          • 15|NY/NJ
                          • 17|Vernon
                          • 18|SandHills
                          • 19|McAfee
                          • 20|Hamburg
                          • 21|Franklin
                          • 22|LakeGrinnell
                          • 23|Sparta
                          • 24|Andover
                          • 25|Tranquility
                          • 26|Allamuchy
                          • 27|LongBridge
                          • 28|GreatMeadows
                          • 29|Townsbury
                          • 30|Pequest
                          • 31|Butzville
                          • 32|Belvidere
                          • 33|MartinsCrk
                          • 34|Hudson Yard
                          • 35|PortMorris Yard


                          LHR_Cons.jpg



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                          warwick.jpg



                          Regards,
                          Scott
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