Question on seeing missing tracks or things from a route when playing the route

[TrainGuy17]

Hello everyone, so I know I did say from my last topic post that, that was going to be my last question until probably days and days later. Well, I guess I lied and do have more questions, but this question might be a real question because for this one I actually don't know and what I did wrong or may have missed.

So for those who have the Sandpatch grade route from MLT and runs on that route, do any of you run into tracks that are sometimes missing? Or is it just me? I ran into this problem yesterday, but I am not sure if this could be due to the open rails update or the route not being in its own folder once installed, in which I do have the route inside a separate root profile that includes my other routes that I had installed from the library here and also along with the basic folders such as global, routes, trains, and sounds, and so on. So, I don't know, and I also have XTracks and New Roads too.

Though, I kinda do also have a feeling that it is not only this route that I see tracks missing or things not aligned and so on because before I refreshed my root folder and started re-organizing everything, and I had all these routes installed from the library here, some of them did had some small stuff missing. So really, I mean I don't mind if I may have to create more than one profile folders for each route I install, just to make sure that first, they are organized and second, they are in the right areas and that they could then all work a bit better when I play.

[CSXT Q-317]

That is interesting. I have not seen that problem in my copy.

That should be an A1t 5 degree crossover shape.

Have you tried to modify the route? Because the only time I have ever really seen this is when I tried to modify an older route.

I keep all of my older routes in one installation. In other words I have all of those routes in one routes folder. In my case that is a MSTS folder because I still have my CDs. But in your case it should work the same. One routes folder with all the routes installed unless it is a mini route.

[eric]

Try loading the new default replacement tracks / ATracks into the Global\Shapes for that route. See if it corrects things...

[TrainGuy17]

That is interesting. I have not seen that problem in my copy.

That should be an A1t 5 degree crossover shape.

Have you tried to modify the route? Because the only time I have ever really seen this is when I tried to modify an older route.

I keep all of my older routes in one installation. In other words I have all of those routes in one routes folder. In my case that is a MSTS folder because I still have my CDs. But in your case it should work the same. One routes folder with all the routes installed unless it is a mini route.

I could possibly try modifying it and see what happens, I've never tried that so I could give it a shot, and Oh okay cool, yeah what I have is Open Rails so, thank you

[TrainGuy17]

Try loading the new default replacement tracks / ATracks into the Global\Shapes for that route. See if it corrects things...

Ah, okay I see. Alrighty will do. Yeah I may have to install that, since I refreshed everything but I will keep you updated on that if it works. Thank you

[CSXT Q-317]

I could possibly try modifying it and see what happens, I've never tried that so I could give it a shot, and Oh okay cool, yeah what I have is Open Rails so, thank you

If you haven't tried don't mess with it.

I have another question here. Was you able to run through the missing shape? If so, did anything weird happen with the train behind you?

A few months ago I I had repurchased this route and the reason I ask is that I never seen this problem myself.

I have seen this pop up when I loaded another earlier route into TSRE and it asked to convert the TDB to the current. In which case I would advise against if you are not changing track layout or modifying the TDB.

I would suggest uninstalling and then reinstalling the route. Make sure it's a clean install.

You really shouldn't need the Default track replacements although I do highly recommend it for a better visual.

But I do say load it into TSRE and do not update the route to the current global database and have a look at the area in question.

[eric]

If you are getting the "Convert the TDB" message in TSRE, that might explain why it's not rendering.

[CSXT Q-317]

If you are getting the "Convert the TDB" message in TSRE, that might explain why it's not rendering.

Yes, this is what I was referring to. I learned this the hard way.

On a route, I had my head end still following the track, but halfway back my cars were going in a completely different direction. I wish I had screenshots of that.

[geepster775]

Some routes are probably so old that it pre-dates Xtracks and many other road/track add-ons, and some older installers could still be blind to that. Hence the nag to 'Horace the route' when opening it for the first time in an editor.

Buying it now? I would have just saved my money and waited for the newer, longer version. It's not like there hasn't been notifications of it forthcoming.

https://www.trainsim.com/forums/foru...lopment-thread

[oper190]

I have the same Route, out of the box and have no problems. Only update done was to use the new ATracks, ( no missing tracks ) so I suggest a reinstall and DO NOT select any form of update/rebuild.
Note X-Tracks and the new ATrack include all the old track pieces from a default MSTS installation so nothing is messed up using them. Also make sure you are using an up to date Tsection.dat file in your global.

[TrainGuy17]

If you haven't tried don't mess with it.

I have another question here. Was you able to run through the missing shape? If so, did anything weird happen with the train behind you?

A few months ago I I had repurchased this route and the reason I ask is that I never seen this problem myself.

I have seen this pop up when I loaded another earlier route into TSRE and it asked to convert the TDB to the current. In which case I would advise against if you are not changing track layout or modifying the TDB.

I would suggest uninstalling and then reinstalling the route. Make sure it's a clean install.

You really shouldn't need the Default track replacements although I do highly recommend it for a better visual.

But I do say load it into TSRE and do not update the route to the current global database and have a look at the area in question.

Yes, I was able to run through them as if there was like no problem. So basically, I was able to run the route perfectly fine, except that I was just seeing those missing shapes and stuff, but everything else..fine and the game was just running fine.

[TrainGuy17]

Some routes are probably so old that it pre-dates Xtracks and many other road/track add-ons, and some older installers could still be blind to that. Hence the nag to 'Horace the route' when opening it for the first time in an editor.

Buying it now? I would have just saved my money and waited for the newer, longer version. It's not like there hasn't been notifications of it forthcoming.

https://www.trainsim.com/forums/foru...lopment-thread

That, possibly could be true that, that's why it could cause that.

[TrainGuy17]

I have the same Route, out of the box and have no problems. Only update done was to use the new ATracks, ( no missing tracks ) so I suggest a reinstall and DO NOT select any form of update/rebuild.
Note X-Tracks and the new ATrack include all the old track pieces from a default MSTS installation so nothing is messed up using them. Also make sure you are using an up to date Tsection.dat file in your global.

Ah, okay I see. Alrighty, will do. Yeah I have the original Tsection.dat file, the 38 one, and also the 60 or 64 one as well, in my global.

[TrainGuy17]

I have a question however, for anyone that knows this in which I just came to the realization of. When installing a route to your root profile folders where you have all the basic folders such as global, trains, sounds, and etc. When and after installing a route and putting that route into your routes folder and when you go inside the folder of the route you installed and you see these others folders such as activities, shapes, terrtex, textures, and etc. Are those folders - the textures, and shapes, are they supposed to go into your global folder?? and whatever other folders that are for the basic folders in your root profile, they are supposed to go in them too?

If so, then I just made a huge mistake...
This goes for any routes either here from the library and or other third parties like Mapleleaftracks and etc

[eric]

Nothing should go into global except for track shapes and textures (which don't get used except by Shapeviewer )...

So yes, you made a huge mistake.