CPKC and BNSF lines from St Paul, MN to La Crosse, WI

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  • BrandonS261
    Senior Member



    • Apr 2019
    • 307
    • Twin Cities
    • ORTS

    #1

    CPKC and BNSF lines from St Paul, MN to La Crosse, WI

    hey guys,

    I figured I would start a thread on my progress of just this section of our mega route. I am currently working on the section of the CPKC and BNSF from St Paul, MN to La Crosse, WI down the mighty Mississippi River. Both of these routes will be Modern Day operations and not from the CB&Q/BN and MILW/SOO days but that does not mean you wouldn't be able to run those on these routes.

    Being they are both mainlines for both railroads they see lots of traffic with Amtrak, locals, and mainline freights traversing both lines so there will be plenty to do for both routes. The route will start at St Paul Union Station and end at La Crosse, WI. This will give you the chance to not only run the Amtrak Empire Builder and new Borealis trains but also do switching in CPKC's big Pigs Eye Yard in St Paul along with switching duties along both routes and down in La Crosse, WI since both routes have yards in La Crosse, WI as well.

    As of right now all of the mainline track is laid out for both subdivisions with some yards still needing some work. I am currently working on adding signals, speed signs, crossings and roads to the CPKC side of the Mississippi River along with some scenery and ground textures as well.

    Both routes have been built using track plans, google earth and other media to try and make them as accurate as possible to the real routes. I have currently been working on collecting photos of specific towns along the lines so I can try and recreate the routes as best as possible given the limitations of Open Rails.

    My plan is to work on the CPKC aka Minnesota Side of the river first as I know that line the best and then work my way over to the BNSF aka Wisconsin side of the river. I personally have railfanned and taken many excursion trips with the Friends of the 261 over the years on both lines.

    I have enlisted help from a few people to help me make these routes a possibility but that being said I do need more help with making custom objects for the routes. This includes station signs, buildings, depots, and other stuff that will really bring these routes to life in Open Rails so any help would be greatly appreciated.

    Photos of the routes will come at a later time as I make more progress on them but for now here is a map of the area that I am modeling and this thread will be where I update everyone on the progress of the routes from now on.

    Brandon

    River-Sub-Map.jpg


  • BrandonS261
    Senior Member



    • Apr 2019
    • 307
    • Twin Cities
    • ORTS

    #2
    A little update with the route is I have decided to include the full Twin Cities area into the route.

    This will include both Minneapolis and St Paul. I have extended the route from Pigs Eye yard in St Paul to BNSF Northtown Yard in Minneapolis, Added the BNSF Wayzata Sub to Wayzata, TC&W out to Hopkins, MN, Minnesota Commercial A Yard, Union Yard, along with CPKC Shoreham and Humboldt yards in Minneapolis. This also includes both the BNSF Midway and St Paul Subs along with the Milwaukee Road 261 shop facility.

    This will give everyone the ability to more switching and transfer moves in the Twin Cities area. Yes it will take longer to get the route done but having the full Twin Cities area in the route I feel will be beneficial for future route projects I have planned.

    Brandon

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    • wcl
      Senior Member
      • May 2010
      • 417

      #3
      Now this is something I will keep an eye!!! This will be a great one to run....Will be neat to see the La Crosse area....

      Was this the same one you been working on since 2018?? If so, means it wont be done for another 7+ years I take it?? lol
      Last edited by wcl; 02-15-2025, 10:10.

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      • BrandonS261
        Senior Member



        • Apr 2019
        • 307
        • Twin Cities
        • ORTS

        #4
        yes this is the same route!

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        • BrandonS261
          Senior Member



          • Apr 2019
          • 307
          • Twin Cities
          • ORTS

          #5
          I wanted to give everyone a little bit of an update with the route's status as a whole along with a few photos. Now bear with me as I have decided to keep the route as a whole Minnesota route for the time being and plan to break it up into sections eventually. However most of my time has been spent putting in scenery along the CP River Sub.

          The whole route will be based in the time frame of late 2000s to present day. With that in mind this will give people the freedom to run many different types of power and trains that has traversed the Twin Cities area throughout the years.

          One major decision I have decided to start doing and this was not taken lightly by any means is to convert some of the track to US_Track so there will be a mixture of Scale Rail and US_Track throughout the routes. This is to give the routes more realism and also give me a chance to fix some of the track grandniece from track I had laid when I first started the project over 10 years ago.

          I have to give special thanks to my friend Joshua Clark, Travis Ebner, and Eric for there help with the project throughout the years. Now that I am done talking your ear off lets get down to photos of the routes so you can see how it is progressing!

          Milwaukee Road 261 shop facility in Minneapolis.

          MILW 261 shop 1.jpg MILW 261 shop 3.jpg MILW 261 shop 2.jpg MILW 261 shop 4.jpg

          BNSF Wayzata Sub along with Lyndale and Cedar Lake. Jct.

          Lyndale Jct is where the BNSF Monti line splits off from the BNSF Wayzata Sub and Cedar Lake Jct. is where TC&W Trackage splits off from the BNSF Wayzata Sub.

          BNSF Wayzata Sub looking West.jpg BNSF Lyndale Jct..jpg BNSF Cedar Lake Jct.jpg
          St Paul areas including St Paul Union Depot, Jackson Street Roundhouse, Daytons Bluff and CP Pigs Eye Yard

          Jackson Street Roundhouse.jpg
          St Paul Union Depot.jpg
          Daytons Bluff.jpg
          CP Pigs Eye Yard.jpg


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          • BrandonS261
            Senior Member



            • Apr 2019
            • 307
            • Twin Cities
            • ORTS

            #6
            Here are some photos of just the CP River Subdivision. I will share more once I get more scenery in place.

            Lock and Damn #2

            Lock and Damn #2-2.jpg Lock and Damn #2.jpg
            Hastings, MN

            Hastings Lift Bridge2.jpg Hastings, MN.jpg

            Along the Mississippi River
            CP River Sub.jpg CP River Sub Maple Springs.jpg Barge on Mississippi River.jpg CP Mississippi River Bridge La Cressent.jpg

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            • Jdark34
              Senior Member

              • Feb 2011
              • 910
              • alexander city alabama
              • English
              • General

              #7
              the route looks amazing brandon excellent job

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              • jbtower
                Senior Member


                • Jul 2005
                • 572
                • Yorkville, Illinois, USA.
                • ORTS

                #8
                Nice work!
                Kevin Kelleher

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                • dnewmanjr
                  Senior Member



                  • Jan 2008
                  • 874
                  • Beaumont, Texas
                  • General

                  #9
                  Looking good! This will be one nice route to run some trains on once complete.
                  Don Newman, Jr.

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                  • BrandonS261
                    Senior Member



                    • Apr 2019
                    • 307
                    • Twin Cities
                    • ORTS

                    #10
                    Thanks guys! Its been literal years in the making but I feel like I am starting to make progress. A little update on the route is I have decided to rip out some of the tracks and use some US Rails tracks in its place so there will be both Scale Rail and US Tracks in the route. Yes I know this seems like I am going backwards but to me it makes the route look more realistic and accurate.

                    One thing I have been saying is this route will be modern day but how recent do I want to go is the question? Recently within the last few years CP/CPKC has been making some track changes and ripping out some sidings throughout the route along the River Sub along with replacing signals the last few years thanks to PTC. Now I realize that the railroad is ALWAYS Changing and making changes so any route you build will never be 100% accurate.

                    That all being said I have been going back and forth between if I want to make it as modern as possible or if I want to make the route closer to the early 2000s up to when they started making all of those changes? I have come to the conclusion that I would like to build the route some time from the 2013-2024. This would give you enough of a gap to run MILW Bandits. SOO, CP, CPKC, along with a host of other trains up to the merger of CP and KCS. Of course you could also still run the Empire Builder along with the new Borealis service as well.

                    When it comes to signals on the route I have not decided on what I would like to do quite yet. My though is to stick with the old signaling system or there is another option I have been kicking around with and possibly doing a combination of the old signaling and modern day signals like it is today.

                    Yes it would make it more complicated but in the same way more of a modern day route.

                    I have also started the tedious task of making custom objects for the route like station signs, track side objects, fences, and other odds and ends that you can not find in the file library. Yes I know I have a HUGE task on my hands and have bit off more then I could chew when starting this monumental project but thanks to everyone who has helped me out with it over the years and supported my efforts. Even if I have been called crazy a few times.

                    In conclusion the track work may not be 100% accurate as I would like to incorporate as modern day as possible but still have some of the old sidings that have been ripped out so it may be a combination of the two with the more modern day signals with some of the older style mixed in like it is today. I did however make it possible so I could easily rip out the sidings and make the track work as modern day as possible if I do decide to go that route.

                    If I could get a vote on what everyone's thoughts are on this and see what you would like to see that would be greatly appreciated.

                    Also if anyone would like to help out with the project by making some custom objects/buildings feel free to reach out as there is a ton of work that still needs to be done in that respect.

                    I would really like to get the stations in place like St Paul, Hastings, Red Wing, Winona, and La Crosse but all need to be custom built.

                    I will post photos at a later date when I get around to getting more scenery completed.

                    Brandon
                    Last edited by BrandonS261; 08-05-2025, 21:14.

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                    • qballbandit
                      6500 Post Veteran

                      • Jan 2006
                      • 6522
                      • Elgin Il., USA.
                      • MSOR

                      #11
                      If there is a vote, you got me for MODERN DAY.
                      Neil

                      Chicago Railroading Fan

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                      • BNrailfan
                        Senior Member

                        • May 2013
                        • 358
                        • Northwest US
                        • ORTS

                        #12
                        I agree Modern would also be my vote but either way I can't wait to run it

                        See my work over at Cascade Group of Companies

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                        • Coonskin
                          3000 Post Veteran

                          • Aug 2002
                          • 3226
                          • Poteau, OK, USA.

                          #13
                          BrandonS261

                          Your route is looking great.

                          I like the density of forestation on the hillsides. Is that individual trees amid forest regions?

                          If you would like to do something with the harsh shadow side of the tree shapes, that can be done using Shape File Manager:

                          * Go to the route's Shapes folder and find the tree shape. Select the shape in SFM.

                          * Click the "Options" menu and Uncompress the shape.

                          * Once umcompressed use the Options menu and select "Texture Mode".

                          * Click the CrcForm (Cruciform) mode.

                          * Compress the shape.

                          * Done.

                          There will no longer be a harsh shadow on the shade side of the "X" tree shape.

                          Andre
                          Andre Ming
                          V Scale Creations.com R.I.P

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                          • BrandonS261
                            Senior Member



                            • Apr 2019
                            • 307
                            • Twin Cities
                            • ORTS

                            #14
                            hank you everyone else for the comments. Here are a few photos of what I have been working on currently. I have decided after some thought and feedback that I will be doing the routes modern day with a mix of older and newer signals for PTC. This will allow everyone to run some of the most modern power along with much older power that is still on the rails today. I have also decided to go through all of my routes and combine both Scale Rail and US Tracks into the route. This will in my opinion make the routes look more realistic. I am taking the time to actually put jointed track in where it is in the real world as well.

                            Being I know most of these routes like the back of my hand and have been studying them for years along with ridden on many of them It is very easy for me to lets just say over do it when it comes to trying to be as realistic as possible but to me its the little details that bring these routes to life.

                            I am currently working on fixing up the track between Hastings and Red Wing, MN and slowly going to make my way all the way down the Mississippi River to La Crosse, WI. Then I will do the same for the BNSF side.

                            I eventually plan on building a bunch of custom objects for the routes as well and replacing the depots and other stuff with more accurate representations. If anyone would like to help in that aspect let me know! I could sure use a hand or two in that department.

                            Brandon

                            MILW 261 shop 4.jpg

                            Jackson Street Roundhouse.jpg Screenshot 2025-08-02 213736.jpg
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                            • BrandonS261
                              Senior Member



                              • Apr 2019
                              • 307
                              • Twin Cities
                              • ORTS

                              #15
                              Well I know it has been quite awhile since I have made any updates on the route and sorry about bumping an old thread back to life as I took quite a long break from it and decided to focus more on passenger cars that I have also been in the process of creating.

                              I have decided to take a break from that area and jump back into route building. Starting with putting in more crossings and roads onto the route. I now have all of the roads and crossings completed from St Paul down to just about Minnesota City. The roads themselves are completed from St Paul down to Winona with a few small sections that still need some work. From Winona to La Crosse there has not been any work done when it comes to Roads other then a few done in the La Crosse area.

                              My plan is to start roads on the BNSF side of the river once I am completed with the CP/CPKC side of the river.

                              However I do have other routes I am also currently working on within Minnesota like the BNSF Wayzata, Staples, and Hinckley Subs along with the CPKC Paynesville Sub and TC&W so time will tell when I really get to the roads on the BNSF side of the river.

                              Brandon

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