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  • avallillo
    Member
    • Nov 1999
    • 44
    • Southern PA.

    #1

    South Shore Line route

    This will be great if I can get it going, since I rode the CSS&SB way back in the '50's in my childhood, and have a set of those old orange cars for MSTS that might hopefully work in OR. However, I cannot get it running. Depending upon where I put the route, I either get a message saying I don't have some kind of X or Y tracks (train simulator routes folder) or it starts up but shows no tracks and no track support structures (Open Rails Train Simulator ZZ Routes Folder - Open Rails itself does not have a Routes folder, at least in my installation). I mostly use OR through my MSTS Routes folder, using the routes and rolling stock from that sim, although that sim itself has stopped working on my computer due to the 64 bit windows 10. I thought it did work a while back, but it doesn't seem to work now. No problem, since OR seems to be able to operate with MSTS routes and trains.

    Anyway, does anyone have any idea how to get this South Shore route to work in Open Rails?

    Also, many of the MSTS routes in open rails are giving me problems - specifically, I cannot get the train moving. Full release on all brakes, fwd on the reverser, and with full throttle I might be able to get the speed of a baby crawling! It is as if the brakes were in emergency, but of course they are not.
  • oper190
    1000 Post Veteran



    • May 2010
    • 1498
    • Port Charlotte, FL
    • English
    • MSOR

    #2
    RE: Brakes, try <shift> plus / to initialize brakes, it's cheat to some but works for me. Had the same issue and dumped OR several times until I figured it out.
    Geary "Mr. Hart" Gerhardt - Owner and CEO of Hart Rail Lines, Hart Commuter Railways, and Hart Rail Cars. Also the defunct Hart Electric Transit.
    Its Your Train Sim World, sim as you please.

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    • frliss
      1000 Post Veteran



      • Mar 2011
      • 1078
      • MP44.2 Worcester, MA
      • General

      #3
      I had a similar issue several years ago. Check the .ENG file. The maxpower value was mistakenly entered with kN units instead of kW.

      Fred

      Flashing Rear End Device

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      • oper190
        1000 Post Veteran



        • May 2010
        • 1498
        • Port Charlotte, FL
        • English
        • MSOR

        #4
        Originally posted by frliss
        The maxpower value was mistakenly entered with kN units instead of kW.
        Yes, have found that as a problem too.
        Geary "Mr. Hart" Gerhardt - Owner and CEO of Hart Rail Lines, Hart Commuter Railways, and Hart Rail Cars. Also the defunct Hart Electric Transit.
        Its Your Train Sim World, sim as you please.

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        • pschlik
          Senior Member



          • Jun 2011
          • 289
          • Missouri
          • MSOR

          #5
          I have to wonder how that one started because I've seen that mistake in so many places the only excuse I can conjure up is that people were copy-pasting lines from someone else's .eng and changing the numbers. There is no way this many people intentionally typed kilonewtons as a measure of power.

          Or maybe as an engineer I know too much about units and am overestimating the average person's ability to know the difference between a unit of force and a unit of power (the frequency with which I see kWh reported as a unit of "power" would lead me to believe people generally don't know how units work.)

          As for OR, maybe there should be a failsafe where it can interpret units of force as units of power in order to maintain compatibility with the mistakes folks made 20 years ago. That wouldn't be the first 'wrong' behavior intentionally put in OR...turns out people had a lot of opportunities to get things wrong and MSTS just wouldn't care. Makes you wonder what MSTS was doing.

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          • avallillo
            Member
            • Nov 1999
            • 44
            • Southern PA.

            #6
            Here is a portion of the ENG file for the South Shore MU car:

            Engine ( SS39_6

            Wagon ( SS39_6 )
            Type ( Electric )
            MaxPower ( 840hp )
            MaxForce ( 45kN )
            MaxContinuousForce ( 35kN )
            MaxVelocity ( 80mph )​

            Max Power is indeed in hp, while MaxForce is in kN
            Is that correct?

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            • frliss
              1000 Post Veteran



              • Mar 2011
              • 1078
              • MP44.2 Worcester, MA
              • General

              #7
              That looks like it would work for MSTS but I'm not so sure about OR.

              Change the MaxPower value to 626.64 kW and see if that works.

              746 watts = 1 HP. The MaxPower value is always stated in .ENG files in kW.

              Fred
              Last edited by frliss; 10-23-2024, 14:02.

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              • pschlik
                Senior Member



                • Jun 2011
                • 289
                • Missouri
                • MSOR

                #8
                Open Rails supports power units of watts (w), kilowatts (kW), and horsepower (hp). The default, if you put no units after the number, is watts.

                Don't waste time converting from hp to kW, every unit conversion you do is a chance to make a mistake.

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                • R. Steele
                  3500 Post Veteran

                  • Feb 2013
                  • 3928
                  • known universe
                  • ORTS

                  #9
                  Originally posted by frliss
                  That looks like it would work for MSTS but I'm not so sure about OR.

                  Change the MaxPower value to 626.64 kW and see if that works.
                  Accepted Units of Measure ( UoM ) for Open Rails can be found in the manual Appendices -- Chapter 22

                  UoM.jpg
                  Cheers, Gerry
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                  • oper190
                    1000 Post Veteran



                    • May 2010
                    • 1498
                    • Port Charlotte, FL
                    • English
                    • MSOR

                    #10
                    Here's a website I find most useful for conversations of all sort of factors, such as power and force. https://www.calculatorsoup.com/calcu...ions/power.php
                    No guess work using this,
                    Geary "Mr. Hart" Gerhardt - Owner and CEO of Hart Rail Lines, Hart Commuter Railways, and Hart Rail Cars. Also the defunct Hart Electric Transit.
                    Its Your Train Sim World, sim as you please.

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                    • R. Steele
                      3500 Post Veteran

                      • Feb 2013
                      • 3928
                      • known universe
                      • ORTS

                      #11
                      If you prefer something resident on your machine there's a small universal converter that used to be featured on Steam4Me....I have used it for years, accurate and simple to use. It is free.

                      Here's the website (NOTE: some virus - malware programs or browsers may attempt to block it -- IT IS SAFE )
                      https://joshmadison.com/convert-for-windows/


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                      Cheers, Gerry
                      "A mind is like a parachute. It doesn't work if it is not open." Frank Zappa
                      It's my railroad and I'll do what I want! Historically accurate attitude of US Railroad Barons.
                      Forever, ridin' drag in railroad knowledge.
                      Audi, Vide, Tace, Si Vis Vivere In Pace​

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