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  • R. Steele
    3500 Post Veteran

    • Feb 2013
    • 3928
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    • ORTS

    #1

    Alco RS-3 Physics

    Referring to the model in is thread >>> https://www.trainsim.com/vbts/showth...f-Alcos-(RS-3)

    I've been working with Scott to make up a "pure" OR engine file with the proper blend of MSTS and OR parameters -- no OpenRails folder or include files required.

    This is what we've come up with so far -- Any comments, advice, and help is appreciated, especially those regarding missing parameters ( MSTS or OR ), parameters that are in the file but not needed for OR.

    Please take a look at these specific lines in the file:
    I'm not sure that the "Brakes" section in the wag section or "Brake System" section in the eng section of the file has era appropriate brake parameters or that the MSTS controller parameters are required.
    Code:
    SIMISA@@@@@@@@@@JINX0D0t______
    
    Wagon ( SCO_RS3
    
    Comment ( ********* General Information ********* )
    
    	Type ( Engine )
    	WagonShape ( SCO_RS3.s )
    	Mass ( 112.8991t ) Comment ( 248900lbs )
    	Size ( 2.84m 4.6m 16.9m )
    	WheelRadius ( 20in )
    
    Comment( ********* Coupler Information ********* )
    
    	Coupling (
    		Type ( Automatic )
    		Spring (
    			ORTSTensionStiffness ( 50000lbf 511000lbf )
    			ORTSTensionR0 ( 0in 1.0in )
    			ORTSTensionSlack ( 2.75in 0.4in )
    			ORTSCompressionStiffness ( 50000lbf 511000lbf )
    			ORTSCompressionR0 ( 0in 1.0in )
    			ORTSCompressionSlack ( 2.75in 0.4in )
    			ORTSBreak ( 1800kN 2275kN )
    			)
    			CouplingHasRigidConnection ( 0 )
    	)
    	
    Comment ( ******* ORTS Curve Resistance, Wind Resistance and Derailment Coefficient Information ******* )
    
    	ORTSNumberAxles ( 0 )
    	ORTSNumberBogies ( 2 )
    	ORTSLengthBogieCentre ( 9.144m )
    	ORTSLengthCarBody ( 15.8496m )
    	ORTSLengthCouplerFace ( 17.06245m )
    	ORTSWagonFrontalArea ( 144.2364ft^2 )
    	ORTSDavisDragConstant ( 0.0377 )
    	ORTSRigidWheelBase ( 2.8448m )
    	ORTSWheelFlangeLength ( 19.1516mm )
    	ORTSMaximumWheelFlangeAngle ( 1.308996rad )
    	ORTSTrackGauge ( 1435.1mm )
    	ORTSUnbalancedSuperelevation ( 65.024mm )
    	
    Comment ( ********* Adhesion Information ********* )
    
    	ORTSAdhesion ( ORTSCurtius_Kniffler ( 7.5 44 0.161 0.7 ) )
    	ORTSAdhesion ( ORTSSlipWarningThreshold ( 70 ) )
    
    Comment ( ********* Resistance Information ********* )
    
    	ORTSBearingType ( Roller )
    	ORTSDavis_A ( 1210.11 )
    	ORTSDavis_B ( 35.8335 )
    	ORTSDavis_C ( 7.705134 )
    	Comment( == Assumptions -Locomotive diesel/electric - speed - 65mph (105km/h), Roller Bearing, 4 axles, frontal area - 13.4m2, WagonWeight - 108.9 ton (metric), Drag 1.00 == )
    	
    Comment ( ********* Brakes ********* )
     
    	BrakeEquipmentType ( "Handbrake, Triple_valve, Auxilary_reservoir, Emergency_brake_reservoir" )
    	BrakeSystemType( "Air_single_pipe" )
    	ORTSBrakeShoeFriction ( 0.0 0.49 12.1 0.354 24.1 0.343 36.2 0.314 48.3 0.293 60.4 0.279 72.4 0.269 84.5 0.262 96.6 0.254 108.6 0.249 120.7 0.245 132.8 0.243 144.8 0.239 156.9 0.238)
    	MaxBrakeForce( 100kN )
    	MaxHandbrakeForce ( 57.2kN )
    	NumberOfHandbrakeLeverSteps( 100 )
    	EmergencyBrakeResMaxPressure( 70 )
    	TripleValveRatio( 2.5 )
    	EmergencyResVolumeMultiplier ( 1.461 )
    	MaxReleaseRate( 6 )
    	MaxApplicationRate( 6 )
    	MaxAuxilaryChargingRate( 20 )
    	EmergencyResCapacity( 0.839ft^3 )
    	EmergencyResChargingRate( 20 )
    	BrakePipeVolume ( 0.46ft^3 )
    	BrakeCylinderPressureForMaxBrakeBrakeForce( 77 )
    
    Comment ( ********* Camera 5 Inside and OR Alternate Views ********* )
    
    	Inside (
                PassengerCabinFile ( SCO_RS3.s )
                PassengerCabinHeadPos ( 1.128 3.45 -4.35 )
                RotationLimit ( 30 160 0 )
                StartDirection ( 0 0 0 )
                Sound ( "RS3eng.sms" )
    	)
    
    Comment ( ********* Fuel Refilling Access Points and Freight Animations ********* )
    
    	IntakePoint ( -3.33 0.4 FuelDiesel )
    	IntakePoint ( 3.33 0.4 FuelDiesel )
    
    	#FreightAnim( SCO_RS3.s 1 1 1 )
    	
    Comment ( ********* Lighting Section ********* )
    
    Lights	( 14
    
    [I]light section removed due to file size limit in posts [/I]
    
    	Sound ( "RS3eng.sms" )
    	)
    Last edited by R. Steele; 04-17-2023, 17:56.
    Cheers, Gerry
    "A mind is like a parachute. It doesn't work if it is not open." Frank Zappa
    It's my railroad and I'll do what I want! Historically accurate attitude of US Railroad Barons.
    Forever, ridin' drag in railroad knowledge.
    Audi, Vide, Tace, Si Vis Vivere In Pace​

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  • R. Steele
    3500 Post Veteran

    • Feb 2013
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    • ORTS

    #2
    Engine Section of the file, had to be cut in half due to size limits in posts


    Code:
    Engine ( SCO_RS3
    
    Comment ( ********* Engine Exhaust Effects --- Size and Position of Emitted Particles ********* )
    
    	Effects (
    		DieselSpecialEffects (
    			Exhaust1 (
    			0.03 5.085 3.18
    			0 1 0
    			0.22
    			)
    			Exhaust2 (
    			0.03 5.085 3.18
    			0 1 0
    			0.25
    			)
    			Exhaust3 (
    			0.03 5.085 3.18
    			0 1 0
    			0.27
    			)
    			Exhaust4 (
    			0.03 5.085 3.18
    			0 1 0
    			0.31
    			)
    		)
    	)
    	
    Comment ( ********* General Information ********* )
    
    	Wagon ( SCO_RS3 )
    	Type ( Diesel )
    	ORTSDriveWheelWeight ( 112.8991t )  Comment ( Weight on all drive wheels )
    	ORTSNumberDriveAxles ( 4 )
    	MaxCurrent ( 1500A )
    	Sanding ( 15mph )
    	CabView ( RS3Cab.cvf )
    	HeadOut ( 1.682 3.23 -3.323 )
    	MaxDieselLevel ( 800gal )
    	DoesHornTriggerBell ( 0 )
    	
    Comment ( ********* Diesel Prime Mover Information ********* )
    Comment ( With the exception of those labeled optional all parameters must be present for engine to operate )
    
    ORTSDieselEngines ( 1			
    	Diesel (		
    	IdleRPM ( 350 )		
    	MaxRPM ( 1000 )		
    	StartingRPM ( 250 )		
    	StartingConfirmRPM ( 400 )		
    	ChangeUpRPMps ( 82 )		
    	ChangeDownRPMps ( 52 )		
    	RateOfChangeUpRPMpSS ( 12 )		
    	RateOfChangeDownRPMpSS ( 8 )		
    	MaximalPower ( 1312432W )		
    	IdleExhaust ( 1.2 )		
    	MaxExhaust ( 2.2 )		
    	ExhaustDynamics ( 1.6 )		
    	ExhaustDynamicsDown ( 0.8 )  Comment ( This parameter is optional )
    	ExhaustColor ( 20161819 )		
    	ExhaustTransientColor ( 40212324 )		
    	DieselPowerTab (		
    		0	0
    		432	164054
    		514	328108
    		596	492162
    		678	656216
    		760	820270
    		842	984324
    		924	1148378
    		1000	1312432
    	)		
    	DieselConsumptionTab (		
    		0	0
    		350	37.9
    		1000	227.1
    	)		
    	ThrottleRPMTab (		
    		0	350
    		12.5	432
    		25	514
    		37.5	596
    		50	678
    		62.5	760
    		75	842
    		87.5	924
    		100	1000
    	)		
    	DieselTorqueTab (		
    		0	0
    		432	29010
    		514	24382
    		596	21027
    		678	18484
    		760	16490
    		842	14884
    		924	13563
    		1000	12532
    	)		
    	MinOilPressure ( 25psi )		
    	MaxOilPressure ( 70psi )		
    	MaxTemperature ( 120degc )		
    	Cooling ( 3 )		
    	TempTimeConstant ( 720 )		
    	OptTemperature ( 71degc )		
    	IdleTemperature ( 55degc )		
    	)		
    )
    
    Comment ( ********* Open Rails Tractive Force Curves ********* )
    
    	MaxForce ( 276893N )
    	MaxContinuousForce ( 233532N )
    	ORTSSpeedOfMaxContinuousForce ( 9.52mph )
    	ORTSMaxTractiveForceCurves (
    		0 (			
    			0	0	
    			3.59	0	
    			6.04	0	
    			9.61	0	
    			13.19	0	
    			16.99	0	
    			20.56	0	
    			24.14	0	
    			28.61	0	
    			33.98	0
    			38.45	0	)
    	0.125 (				
    			0	34612	
    			3.59	34612	
    			6.04	20590	
    			9.61	12928	
    			13.19	9423	
    			16.99	7315	
    			20.56	6043	
    			24.14	5148	
    			28.61	4343	
    			33.98	3658	
    			38.45	3232	)
    	0.25 (				
    			0	69224	
    			3.59	69224	
    			6.04	41179	
    			9.61	25856	
    			13.19	18845	
    			16.99	14630	
    			20.56	12085	
    			24.14	10295	
    			28.61	8686	
    			33.98	7315	
    			38.45	6464	)
    	0.375 (				
    			0	103835	
    			3.59	103835	
    			6.04	61768	
    			9.61	38784	
    			13.19	28267	
    			16.99	21944	
    			20.56	18128	
    			24.14	15442	
    			28.61	13029	
    			33.98	10972	
    			38.45	9696	)
    	0.50 (				
    			0	138447	
    			3.59	138447	
    			6.04	82357	
    			9.61	51712	
    			13.19	37689	
    			16.99	29259	
    			20.56	24170	
    			24.14	20590	
    			28.61	17372	
    			33.98	14630	
    			38.45	12928	)
    	0.625 (				
    			0	173058	
    			3.59	173058	
    			6.04	102946	
    			9.61	64640	
    			13.19	47111	
    			16.99	36573	
    			20.56	30213	
    			24.14	25737	
    			28.61	21715	
    			33.98	18287	
    			38.45	16160	)
    	0.75 (				
    			0	207670	
    			3.59	207670	
    			6.04	123535	
    			9.61	77568	
    			13.19	56533	
    			16.99	43888	
    			20.56	36255	
    			24.14	30884	
    			28.61	26058	
    			33.98	21944	
    			38.45	19392	)
    	0.875 (				
    			0	242282	
    			3.59	242282	
    			6.04	144124	
    			9.61	90496	
    			13.19	65955	
    			16.99	51202	
    			20.56	42298	
    			24.14	36031	
    			28.61	30401	
    			33.98	25601	
    			38.45	22624	)
    	1.0 (				
    			0	276893	
    			3.59	276893	
    			6.04	164713	
    			9.61	103424	
    			13.19	75377	
    			16.99	58517	
    			20.56	48340	
    			24.14	41179	
    			28.61	34744	
    			33.98	29259	
    			38.45	25856	)
    		)			
    
    Comment ( ********* Emergency and Wheelslip Throttle Information ********* )
    
    	ORTSEmergencyCausesThrottleDown ( 0 )
    	ORTSWheelSlipCausesThrottleDown ( 0 )
    
    Comment ( ********* Brake System ********* )
    
    	BrakesEngineBrakeType( "Air_single_pipe"  )
    	BrakesTrainBrakeType( "Air_single_pipe" )
    	ORTSMainResChargingRate ( 0.4psi/s )
    	ORTSBrakePipeChargingRate ( 200psi/s )
    	ORTSEngineBrakeReleaseRate ( 38psi/s )
    	ORTSEngineBrakeApplicationRate ( 34psi/s )
    	ORTSBrakePipeTimeFactor ( 0.003 )
    	ORTSBrakeEmergencyTimeFactor ( 0.1 )
    	ORTSBrakeServiceTimeFactor ( 1.009 )
    	ORTSAirBrakeMainresvolume ( 28.35ft^3 )
    	TrainPipeLeakRate ( 0.0833psi/s )
    	TrainBrakesControllerMaxReleaseRate ( 10psi/s )
    
    
    	AirBrakesAirCompressorPowerRating( 1.2 )        ARE THESE PARAMETERS NEEDED? From here to end of section - TrainBrakesController?
    	AirBrakesMainMinResAirPressure( 15 )
    	AirBrakesMainMaxAirPressure( 140 )
    	AirBrakesMainResVolume( 8 )
    	AirBrakesAirCompressorWattage( 10kw )
    	AirBrakesCompressorRestartPressure( 130 )
    	AirBrakesAirUsedPerPoundsOfBrakePipePressure( 0.22 )
    	AirBrakesIsCompressorElectricOrMechanical( 1 )
    
    	EngineBrakesControllerMinPressureReduction( 6 )
    	TrainBrakesControllerMinPressureReduction( 6 )
    	EngineBrakesControllerHasProportionalBrake( 1 )
    	EngineBrakesProportionalBrakeLag( 0.9 )
    	EngineBrakesControllerMaxApplicationRate( 20 )
    	TrainBrakesControllerMaxApplicationRate( 20 )
    	EngineBrakesControllerMaxReleaseRate( 15 )
    	TrainBrakesControllerMaxReleaseRate( 4 )
    	EngineBrakesControllerEmergencyApplicationRate( 50 )
    	TrainBrakesControllerEmergencyApplicationRate( 50 )
    	EngineBrakesControllerMinSystemPressure( 0 )
    	TrainBrakesControllerMinSystemPressure( 0 )
    	EngineBrakesControllerMaxSystemPressure( 90 )
    	TrainBrakesControllerMaxSystemPressure( 90 )
    	EngineBrakesControllerEmergencyBrakeTimePenalty( 60 )
    	TrainBrakesControllerEmergencyBrakeTimePenalty( 60 )
    	EngineBrakesControllerFullServicePressureDrop( 26 )
    	TrainBrakesControllerFullServicePressureDrop( 26 )
    
    Comment ( ********* Engine Controllers and Controller Information ********* )
    
    	BrakesEngineControllers( "Independent, Train," )
    	EngineBrakesControllerDirectControlExponent( 1 )
    
    EngineControllers (
            Throttle ( 0 1 0.125 0 
                    NumNotches ( 9
                        Notch ( 0       0 Dummy )
                        Notch ( 0.125   0 Dummy )
                        Notch ( 0.25    0 Dummy )
                        Notch ( 0.375   0 Dummy )
                        Notch ( 0.5     0 Dummy )
                        Notch ( 0.625   0 Dummy )
                        Notch ( 0.75    0 Dummy )
                        Notch ( 0.875   0 Dummy )
                        Notch ( 1       0 Dummy )
                    )
                )
                Brake_Engine ( 0 1 0.155 0 
                    NumNotches ( 1
                        Notch( 0  1 Dummy )
                    )
                )
                Brake_Train ( 0 1 0.045 0.25 
                    NumNotches ( 5
                        Notch( 0    0 TrainBrakesControllerReleaseStart )
                        Notch( 0.3  1 TrainBrakesControllerGraduatedSelfLapLimitedHoldingStart )
                        Notch( 0.85 0 TrainBrakesControllerSuppressionStart )
                        Notch( 0.9  0 TrainBrakesControllerContinuousServiceStart )
                        Notch( 1.00 0 TrainBrakesControllerEmergencyStart )
                    )
               
                )
                DirControl ( -1 0 1 1 )
                BellToggle( 0 1 0 )
                AWS ( 0 1 0 )
                Sanding ( 0 1 0 )
                Horn ( 0 1 0 )
                Wipers ( 0 1 0 )
                EmergencyStopResetToggle( 0 1 0 )
                EmergencyStopToggle( 0 1 0 )
                Vigilance ( 0 1 0 )
                Headlights ( 0 0.25 1 0 )
                BailOffButton( 0 1 0 )
                EngineVariables( 800 )
            )
            
    Comment ( ********* Engine Description, Name and Reference Information ********* )
    
        	Sound (	"RS3cab.sms" )
        	Name ("SCO_RS3")
        	Description ( "The Alco RS3 was the 2nd model in a long Series of Road Switchers(RS)" )
        	Comment ( Ver3 Standard ORTS Diesel Engine for Alco RS3 )
        	Comment ( Alco Operating Manual TP401 for Model RS-3 1600-HP Road Switcher )
        	Comment ( Locomotive Cyclopedia of American Practice 1950-52 edition, Sec.1 pages 105-107 )
        	Comment ( NYC dimensions & classifications of Diesel-Electric Locomotives Book 387 pages 229 to 233A )
        	Comment ( NYC technical drawing for Class drs-6 and drs-6p -- Alco RS-3 )
        	Comment ( Gear Ratios -- Freight - 65:18 max speed 65mph Passenger - 74:18 max speed 75mph )
        	Comment ( Power Ratings == Gross HP 1760 == Traction HP 1600 == Rail HP 1360 )
        	Comment ( Power Ratings per New York Central technical specifications )
        	Comment ( Continuous Tractive Effort 52500lb @ 9.52mph==84.4%eff. == Starting Tractive Effort 62250lb )
        	Comment ( Efficiency - eff - refers to power loss from Input HP Traction Motors to Rail HP )
        	Comment ( Mass 248900lbs = 112.8991t == metric, Adhesion Factor = 25.01% )
        	Comment ( Mass×Adhesion Factor = Starting Tractive Effort )
        	Comment ( Brake HP -- bhp = Power-at-the-shaft = Gross HP or MaximalPower )
    )
    Cheers, Gerry
    "A mind is like a parachute. It doesn't work if it is not open." Frank Zappa
    It's my railroad and I'll do what I want! Historically accurate attitude of US Railroad Barons.
    Forever, ridin' drag in railroad knowledge.
    Audi, Vide, Tace, Si Vis Vivere In Pace​

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    • jdonald1
      Member

      • May 2010
      • 94
      • Corunna ON
      • English
      • MSOR

      #3
      Hi Gerry: I'm just wondering what the point is in making a full .eng file without any include files? That is a pretty big file and the lighting section isn't even included. IMHO a pure OR file using include files where appropriate is a much more efficent way to go.
      Thanks
      Don

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      • derekmorton
        5500 Post Veteran



        • Nov 1999
        • 5699
        • Eltham, Victoria, Australia.
        • ORTS

        #4
        >is a much more efficient way to go

        Depends how you define efficiency,
        From a file system point of view, a single file is more efficient, one I/O to get all of your data.

        Include files slow the loading as many file system requests have to be made.

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        • eric
          9500 Post Veteran and Administrator



          • Dec 2002
          • 9583
          • NS MP245.4 CNO&TP South District
          • English, SQL
          • General

          #5
          I agree with Derek. I've never really been a fan of include files or aliases for sound and cab views. They are convenient in that you don't have to repeat the same code over and over and over again, but they're a pain to debug.

          As a developer, they're a necessary evil for stuff that runs hundreds+ of times, but I'm not sold on it being more efficient for the game on just an instance loading.

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          • rdayt
            1000 Post Veteran

            • Nov 2007
            • 1291
            • SW MO
            • ORTS

            #6
            Agreed.
            When I move a piece of equipment from one folder to another I don't want to have to hunt down a bunch of dependencies.
            Drive space is cheap.

            Randy

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            • R. Steele
              3500 Post Veteran

              • Feb 2013
              • 3928
              • known universe
              • ORTS

              #7
              Originally posted by jdonald1
              Hi Gerry: I'm just wondering what the point is in making a full .eng file without any include files? That is a pretty big file and the lighting section isn't even included. IMHO a pure OR file using include files where appropriate is a much more efficent way to go.
              Thanks
              Don
              There is an easy answer to that --- I was asked to make one. I also use include files, nothing as sophisticated as some setups I've seen --- just an OpenRails folder within the parent locomotive folder. The default MSTS locomotive file is unedited. I started doing it that way before I understood anything about the MSTS file and did not want to fool with it.

              Also, I've had many emails and questions from users of my OR Std Eng files and they are flummoxed by include files and OpenRails folders. A single engine file makes more sense to them. OR is especially flexible in that regard, there's quite a few ways to use include files.

              Lastly, I had never made this type of file and this task gave something new to work at, a challenge. Any advice?

              ( Ps -- this file could be shortened quite a bit, by using OR basic physics and default parameters. )
              Last edited by R. Steele; 04-21-2023, 15:29.
              Cheers, Gerry
              "A mind is like a parachute. It doesn't work if it is not open." Frank Zappa
              It's my railroad and I'll do what I want! Historically accurate attitude of US Railroad Barons.
              Forever, ridin' drag in railroad knowledge.
              Audi, Vide, Tace, Si Vis Vivere In Pace​

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              • bwbrgb
                Senior Member
                • Jun 2004
                • 441
                • Ontario, Canada
                • General

                #8
                I also agree with full files for each engine sample for all the above mentioned reasons . I also have worked with many types of engines - large and small - and have yet to find any that respond the same . I think the full file gives you a chance to show deviations- eg. - tired and smokey , new with full power and clean etc.

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                • CSRX
                  13500 Post Veteran



                  • Oct 2005
                  • 13646
                  • Lincoln, ME
                  • English
                  • ORTS

                  #9
                  Full files work best for me. Some reason only NAVS and some of TS files work fine with their include files. Everything else I have to rework to the old style set up for the stuff to even load in ORTS.

                  I have never had any luck with getting anything of my own to work properly in ORTS either with include files. I've asked a few times, and haven't received much help except the "It works for me" response. Oh well.
                  I have heard that it can be very finicky though when it comes to setting up the Include files, so obviously somewhere something isn't correct. Eh, Full engine and wagon files still work best for me.
                  -Shawn K-
                  MEC Mountain Subdivision - Trackwork 70%, Scenery 35%
                  ​

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                  • eric
                    9500 Post Veteran and Administrator



                    • Dec 2002
                    • 9583
                    • NS MP245.4 CNO&TP South District
                    • English, SQL
                    • General

                    #10
                    Originally posted by R. Steele
                    There is an easy answer to that --- I was asked to make one.
                    That's a pretty good reason to do it.... having a solid example goes a long way to figuring out your own.
                    If you like what you see here at Trainsim.com, be it the discussions and knowledge in the forums, or items available in our library, I hope you'll consider a paid membership to help support keeping the site operating.... Thanks!

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                    • R. Steele
                      3500 Post Veteran

                      • Feb 2013
                      • 3928
                      • known universe
                      • ORTS

                      #11
                      An important note, all the ORTS physics parameters can be found on various pages at Peter Newell's ( OR Developer ) excellent web site -- look under physics >>>> https://www.coalstonewcastle.com.au/physics/

                      Must give credit to the OR Development team ( and of course Peter ) for all their volunteer work and effort on the sim. Thanks.
                      Cheers, Gerry
                      "A mind is like a parachute. It doesn't work if it is not open." Frank Zappa
                      It's my railroad and I'll do what I want! Historically accurate attitude of US Railroad Barons.
                      Forever, ridin' drag in railroad knowledge.
                      Audi, Vide, Tace, Si Vis Vivere In Pace​

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