TS Miscellaneous ACF Centerflow Pack

[michelouim]

I am trying to install the pack in the title. It is file 90891. In the read me, it is said "Copy one each of the 54' Late, 54' Early w/stiffening rib, and 54' 5250 Late shapes" and "ownership of any of the ACF Centerflow packs from Trainsimulations are required". I do have 3 of the ACF pack, "TS_ACF_CENTERFLOW_RUSTBELT", "TS_ACF_CENTERFLOW_PRIVATE_OWNER" and "TS_ACF_CENTERFLOW_CSXT_HERITAGE", but cannot find those shapes.

Anyone having any idea where i can find the shapes?

Michel

[yellowdog]

Just FYI, the Miscellaneous pack is ID 89922

And there are no shapes with those names. Those are the descriptions of the models. I'm not great with specific freight car ID, so those descriptions didn't help me identify the needed shapes, either. I just played around with various shapes until I found the ones that mapped properly after I altered the .s file content with the provided .dds names. Sorry, I don't remember which specific shapes I used. Maybe someone else will respond, if you can't figure it out through trial-and-error

[michelouim]

Just FYI, the Miscellaneous pack is ID 89922

Correct, my mistake.

What is puzzling me is the different car sides. I guess i will take a shape file from one of the TS pack and use it.

Thanks for your reply

[ossie]

It's been a while since I worked on these sets Michel but (all following comments are from memory) there are 6 different models in use but not all 5 of the TS CFlow sets contained each variation of the shapes. The 5250s have 4 discharge gates and come with both the "smooth" and stiffening bar variations. The other four came in 2 different sizes (52 & 57 ft) and each size had a "smooth" and stiffening bar version. I believe that "early" refers to the stiffening bar and "late" to the more modern "smooth" sides. Again, that's all from memory though so if I've said anything wrong, hopefully someone will correct me.

Just looking at Andrew's picture and the sets you've mentioned you own, the CNW hopper could use ACFX_5250_COV_HOPPER_56965.s from the Private set. Using it as a size comparison with the other 5 hoppers they all look to be on the longer model.

The GMO & 2 ICG hoppers have the stiffening bar so my first try for them would be ACY_4650_COV_HOPPER_466.s from the Rustbelt set. If I'm wrong and they need the shorter model then ACFX_4650_COV_HOPPER_46558.s from the Private set will be what you need instead.

For the Rock Island and SOO hoppers, the longer shape file is RUSX_4650_COV_HOPPER_800021.s from the Private set or again, if I'm wrong, the shorter smooth side shape file is ACFX_4650_COV_HOPPER_27350.s, also from the Private set.

Hope this helps!

[michelouim]

WOW Pete, impressive.

I was going to use the ACY_4650_COV_HOPPER_466.s from the Rustbelt set for the 7 cars in the set ( there are 2 SOO, only one is shown in the picture ). But i think i will follow your indications.

Thank you so much

Michel

[ossie]

Just an after thought Michel and hopefully you see this before you start with the shape files, just to confirm if my guess work on the hopper lengths is correct, check the wagon files. The longer shape is 57.5197ft and the shorter model is 52.8215ft.

[michelouim]

Just an after thought Michel and hopefully you see this before you start with the shape files, just to confirm if my guess work on the hopper lengths is correct, check the wagon files. The longer shape is 57.5197ft and the shorter model is 52.8215ft.

I will do that before starting, tomorrow.

Thanks again Pete

[ossie]

You're very welcome Michel! Good luck!

[michelouim]

Pete,

After checking, all the 7 cars have the same length, "ORTSLengthCarBody ( 51.95ft )" and "ORTSLengthCouplerFace ( 57.5ft )". The only difference is in the script of the .wag file, the part referring to the coupling. The first car is an INCLUDE, as for the 6 others it is the full script. I will use the ACY_4650_COV_HOPPER_466.s from the Rustbelt set for the 7 cars.

Thanks for helping me

Michel

[yellowdog]

I will use the ACY_4650_COV_HOPPER_466.s from the Rustbelt set for the 7 cars.

Thanks for helping me

Michel

That won't work for all of the cars because of the texture mapping.

[michelouim]

That won't work for all of the cars because of the texture mapping.

I was looking at the image in the TSRE Consist Editor and to my eyes it seems to be fine. Maybe in your expert eye, it is not. I do not know where to look to see if all is ok. While checking,

I saw another difference for the car CNW490007 is a BULK HOPPER where the others are GRAIN HOPPER.

Next step is making a consist with all the 7 cars and the ACY466 and look if i can see something.

[PerryPlatypus]

Pete,

After checking, all the 7 cars have the same length, "ORTSLengthCarBody ( 51.95ft )" and "ORTSLengthCouplerFace ( 57.5ft )". The only difference is in the script of the .wag file, the part referring to the coupling. The first car is an INCLUDE, as for the 6 others it is the full script. I will use the ACY_4650_COV_HOPPER_466.s from the Rustbelt set for the 7 cars.

Thanks for helping me

Michel

FYI, those two parameters you quoted are only used for internal physics calculations. You will want to look at the Size ( x y z ) parameters to determine true length of the shapes. The third number corresponds to length.

[ossie]

Hi again Michel. I guess the most simple answer is that you can use one shape for the 3 different hopper textures and depending on how keen your eye is for detail it may not bother you at all. Again going from memory, I think there were some texture mapping differences around the roof of the various size hoppers so you might find some issues with the walkway shadows, joins between the roof and side textures or details looking a little stretched or squashed depending on which size you use. The biggest issue you will have if you use ACY 466 for all 7 is the stiffening bar shadows. On the smooth sided hoppers you'll have a shadowed rectangle showing up for no reason.

Edit: I've now downloaded the set and the models used have all been the longer 57.5197ft/17.532m versions so if you go with my earlier suggestions:

the CNW hopper could use ACFX_5250_COV_HOPPER_56965.s from the Private set.
The GMO & 2 ICG hoppers have the stiffening bar so my first try for them would be ACY_4650_COV_HOPPER_466.s from the Rustbelt set.
For the Rock Island and SOO hoppers, the longer shape file is RUSX_4650_COV_HOPPER_800021.s from the Private set

you should achieve a perfect result, but again, totally up to you.

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[michelouim]

FYI, those two parameters you quoted are only used for internal physics calculations. You will want to look at the Size ( x y z ) parameters to determine true length of the shapes. The third number corresponds to length.

The numbers are the same "Size ( 3.142m 4.483m 17.532m ) " for the 7 cars.and this is the line for the ACY466 "Size ( 3.142m 4.483m 17.532m ) ".

Pete ( Ossie ),
I saw what you pointed with the red arrows when making a run in OR with the 7 cars and ACY466.

Let say that for now, i will keep them like that, but after I am done installing the other set i have, i will come back and correct them. I will just bury them in somewhere not to be seen too close.

Thank you for all the help you are giving me.

Michel

[ossie]

You're welcome Michel and yes, they are all the same length in this set. The variation between these 3 are the 4 discharge gates on the CNW hopper vs 3 on the others while the 3 bay hoppers have the ICGs & GMO with the stiffening bar and the Rock Island & SOO with the smooth sides. As with many aspects of the sim though, it all comes down to personal taste and going with whatever suits us. Enjoy!