Is It me thats wrong?

[oper190]

Just saw something interesting in the Log when I compared with mine as I have switched to using the HDMI connection on my TV/Monitor: These are the first sections, the system information -

Paul's Log:
Date/time = 11/02/2026 07:29:59 (2026-02-11 07:29:59Z)
Application = Open Rails 1.6.1 (X64)
Runtime = .NET Framework 4.8.9310.0
System = Microsoft Windows 10 Home 10.0.19045 (X64; en-GB; en-GB)
Memory = 16,318 MB
CPU = AMD Ryzen 5 3600 6-Core Processor (AuthenticAMD; 12 threads; 3,593 MHz)
GPU = NVIDIA GeForce GTX 1660 (NVIDIA; 5,966 MB)
Direct3D = 12_1,12_0,11_1,11_0,10_1,10_0,9_3,9_2,9_1

My Log:
Date/time = 2/10/2026 8:01:19 PM (2026-02-11 01:01:19Z)
BIOS = F.12 (AMI)
Processor = AMD Ryzen 7 5700G with Radeon Graphics (16 threads, 8 cores, 3.8 GHz) (L1 - Cache 512 KB) (L2 - Cache 4096 KB) (L3 - Cache 16384 KB)
Memory = 15.8 GB
Video = NVIDIA GeForce RTX 3070 (4.0 GB RAM) (nvlddmkm 32.0.15.8163)
Display = \\.\DISPLAY2 (1360 x 768, 32-bit, primary, 0 x 0)
Sound = USB Audio Device (usbaudio 10.0.26100.7309)
Sound = NVIDIA Virtual Audio Device (Wave Extensible) (WDM) (nvvad64v 4.13.0.0)
Sound = NVIDIA High Definition Audio (nvhda64v 1.4.5.0)
Sound = Realtek High Definition Audio (rtkvhd64 6.0.9239.1)
Disk = C: (Local Fixed Disk, NTFS, 475.9 GB, 320.1 GB free)
Disk = D: (Removable Disk, FAT32, 232.3 GB, 33.7 GB free)
Disk = E: (Local Fixed Disk, NTFS, 931.5 GB, 288.7 GB free)
Disk = F: (Local Fixed Disk, NTFS, 448.2 GB, 58.8 GB free)
Disk = G: (CD-ROM Disc, )
Disk = H: (Removable Disk, FAT32, 7.3 GB, 6.3 GB free)
Disk = I: (Removable Disk, FAT, 1.8 GB, 1.8 GB free)
OS = Microsoft Windows 11 Home 64-bit (10.0.26200)
Runtimes = 2.0.50727 SP2 3.0 SP2 3.5 SP1 4 Client 4 Full 4.0 Client
Runtime = 4.0.30319.42000 (32bit)
\\.\DISPLAY2 = NVIDIA GeForce RTX 3070

Paul's DOES NOT show any sort SOUND devices. Why the sound hangs????
I am using OR 1.4 is there a difference in what the logs show between 1.4 and 1.6?

[pcohen]

Hi Geary.

I can see the differences am I supposed to copy them somewhere please?

Paul.

[slipperman]

Hi Geary & Paul,
@Geary : The logs from Paul's Desktop PC have never shown 'Sound' entries - and neither have mine even though I have a separate sound card!
It may be because you are using OR 1.4 and we are using v1.6.1
paul : No mate, you don't need to do anything except tell us if there's been any improvement after upgrading the NVIDIA drivers.

Cheers,
Ged

[oper190]

I can see the differences am I supposed to copy them somewhere please?

No, just pointing out a difference, which might just be from the versions of OR I'm using and you are using.

[crstagg]

1.5 does not show Sound cards also.

AND Paul's last Log file still ends with Hung sound thread.

[baldwin]

Hi all
I have just taken a look at the code where the sound process error is happening. It is failing because the sound process is waiting for something for too long and the "watchdog" code kicks in and kill the game. I am wondering it it might be worth Paul downloading and installing the ORNYMG version where he will be able to turn watchdog off.

Mervyn

[derekmorton]

That is the initial reason that I went to ORNYMG.
ORNYMG will still log the sound timeout but will not crash.

[ossie]

Hi all
I have just taken a look at the code where the sound process error is happening. It is failing because the sound process is waiting for something for too long and the "watchdog" code kicks in and kill the game. I am wondering it it might be worth Paul downloading and installing the ORNYMG version where he will be able to turn watchdog off.

Mervyn

Hi Mervyn,

I don't want to side-track the discussion of getting Paul sorted but just as a "future reference/memory bank" thing for me, I saw him say it was working ok on his laptop. Can I assume from that that different cards and/or machines will respond differently to a specific piece of code? In this case his PC is crashing because of the wait but the laptop has soldiered on?

[pcohen]

Well guess what? I now have Thames_Trent_Version_3 Installed as a MiniRoute.

Hoping somebody will check it for me please, Ged's Act_Man doesn't recogonise the Route.

Did crash short of Luton.

Also please can somebody please tell me If Loco TTT_007 seen between Mile Marker 12 & 13 heading towards
St Pancras Is meant to be a Light Engine Or should It have Goods or Passenger Consist attached?

OpenRailsLog.zip

Many thanks

Paul.

[slipperman]

Hi Paul,
Let's just forget about whether a certain consist should be a light engine or not!

You are missing a number of loco sounds (in common.sound); also, as this route was built for MSTS, it uses some files from the main SOUND folder; one in particular, which throws up several 'missing' entries is wtower.sms which probably means these files - x_fuel_tower_dn.wav, x_fuel_tower_up.wav, x_fuel_xfer_wtr1.wav, x_fuel_xfer_wtr2.wav and x_fuel_xfer_wtr3.wav are also missing. I suggest you find the main SOUND folder in one of your full MSTS installations and copy its contents into the main SOUND folder in your Thames - Trent installation. Also missing from your TRAINSET folder is stock folder exLMS_P2_Coach_Maroon.

Besides all the above, you're still getting the same 'sound process has hung' message which seems to me that, even though you have updated the NVIDIA drivers (have you?) it hasn't solved the problem.

You were asked about when you run the route on your laptop. Do you get the same error or does the Thames Trent route run OK on that PC?

Cheers,
Ged

[pcohen]

Hi Ged, thanks for your reply again.

I will copy these Sound files as instructed.

Meanwhile please, can you tell me which Files I need to copy from MSTS Into a Mini-Route to make It work correctly.

Many thanks

Paul.

[oper190]

A thought, since Paul's Desktop keeps hanging in the sound issue, and we know he's using the Video sound, might I suggest a simple test.
Paul do you have a set of earphones/headset that will plug into your PC? Try them, changing to the sound driver on your PC, ( see post #75 ) and try running the original activity you posted about, that was error free that could cause the game to crash, other than the sound issue. If it runs okay then the problem is using the video sound source and Paul then should invest in a set of PC speakers, or use the earphones/headset.

Paul I appreciate that you want to run trains, but you keep jumping from one problem to another before a fix is found or the prior one. Your new problem appears to actually be the same issue, the Sound hanging. Adding the other issues is only causing further frustration for those of us trying to help you, and are not the real issue here. Yes, it can be a slow process, but in the end you'll be up and running.
Also you have to realize the time it might takes for others to see and read your posts and reply. I for one am across the "Pond" so am hours different when I reply, and you see them, perhaps a day later.

[oper190]

Well guess what? I now have Thames_Trent_Version_3 Installed as a MiniRoute.

Paul again you are creating a entirely new set of problems, and we have yet to sort out why the route won't run for you.

[oper190]

Not to hog the thread, but a point to make. I switched my TV/Monitor to HDMI and got the TV speakers for sound. Okay I have a decent set of speakers, with a woofer, so they sound a lot better than the TV speakers for OR, so I'm using the TV as monitor using HDMI but with the PC speakers for sound. I really think Paul needs to switch sound sources to the PC sound.

[slipperman]

Hi Paul,

Meanwhile please, can you tell me which Files I need to copy from MSTS Into a Mini-Route to make It work correctly.

Mini-routes were originally devised to run large routes in MSTS which, without it, loads every route, activity and stock item in an installation before it starts.
This is no longer necessary when running Open Rails so, instead of calling them 'mini-routes', I think the official name is 'profile'. which, in effect, is a folder.
Unlike the original mini-route, a profile folder can contain any number of routes. It can have any name the user desires.
1. Create a profile folder wherever you like, but NOT in any of the Windows-created folders on drive C:, with any name, eg UK_Routes.
2. From a FULL DEFAULT MSTS installation, copy folders GLOBAL, ROUTES, SOUND and TRAINS folders into the newly created profile folder
3a. If a route has an installer, point it to the profile folder name.
3b. if the route is only supplied as a folder, copy it into the ROUTES sub-folder of the profile folder.
3c. if the new route contains an installme.bat file, run it - the ROUTES folder contains the default routes.
4. Add any required add-ons, XTracks, New Roads, UKFS, stock, etc., pointing their installer to the profile folder name.
5. If not already done, open the 'Content' screen of Open Rails, select 'Manually Installed' then 'Add' and navigate to the new profile folder. When selected, press 'OK'.

The default routes in the ROUTES folder may not be required but shouldn't cause any overhead to Open Rails and, should a route to be added uses an installme.bat file, all the required files are already present. The same goes for the default stock in TRAINSET - many older stock items and soundsets require default cabview/sound files.

I hope I've included everything, if not, please correct me!

Cheers,
Ged