Is It me thats wrong?

[pcohen]

Good morning everybody.

Having, Yesterday Installed The Graphics Card update and Today tried to run the Thames-Trent Version 3 Route,
It crashed some 5 Miles short of Luton (Outbound).

Ged's MSTS_ActMan reported that the St Albans Fowler 3F Tanks were missing. This was the only Item that was missing.

I installed St Albans Fowler 3F Tanks that were missing. and tried again.

Guess what? CRASHED Again with no error reports at all In MSTS_ActMan .

At a loss as to what to Do next! Log file attached:- OpenRailsLog.zip


Many thanks

Paul.

[pcohen]

Hello again.

Thought I would be clever and try a different Route "MidEast Coast"

was Going well until crashing approaching Peterborough on the way to Kings Cross.

Checked with MSTS_Act Man, no errors or missing Stock so I guess I still have a Sound Issue?

Log Attached again:- OpenRailsLog.zip

Thanks

Paul.

[crstagg]

Paul,
Please clear up a question in my mind. You have 2 PCs (a Desktop and a Laptop) correct? And these log files are from the _____________.
When I look at the Nvidia web site to locate drivers the list has "1660 (Notebook)" and there is no other 1660 listed. But you mention using a TV for a monitor so that sounds like you are using a desktop. So I am confused as to which PC you are using. Which is it?

Now as to the Log files. Besides the Hanging thread the logs all have thousands of track node errors and rolling stock bogie errors. Could it be that you are overwhelming ORTS with errors? Do you have any well routes and rolling stock that don't have problems? If I was getting that many errors from a route I would dump it as it is not worth the time to fix nor to waste the HD space to keep it on my system.

[pcohen]

Hi Charles, many thanks for your reply.

I use my Main computer for MSTS. I only use my Laptop Generally for Checking things.

I use as my Favourite Routes:- Dorset Coast V.6. , MIDEAST Coast and Thames-Trent and occasionally North Wales Coast and The Cambrian Coast V.2. but you are suggesting I scrap them. Makes no sense to me?

Thanks again

Paul.

[oper190]

Paul you have mentioned that you have run this route and activity before no problems, so my thinking is: What has changed since then?
New Computer, monitor, upgrades, version of OR being used...etc.?
Also you say it runs okay on your laptop, so the problem lies with the desktop installation in some form. Running the same version of OR on each?

Also Paul, if you are running OpenRails that is not MSTS, which only adds to the confusion trying to follow what you are doing. Now when you "Check" it on your laptop is that running in OR or MSTS?
From a programing point OR and MSTS are two completely separate programs.
Yes OR can run MSTS routes and equipment, but from what's being reported on other Threads, it seem the newer versions are less MSTS capable. Could that be part of the problem, I cannot say?

Just a point of information, I run mostly MSTS Routes and rolling stock, and I'm using OR ver1.4 and I am not having these sorts of problems.

[crstagg]

Paul you have mentioned that you have run this route and activity before no problems, so my thinking is: What has changed since then?
New Computer, monitor, upgrades, version of OR being used...etc.?
Also you say it runs okay on your laptop, so the problem lies with the desktop installation in some form. Running the same version of OR on each?

Also please create a Log file on the Laptop and upload it. Can be a short run just so we can see PC specs and ORTS settings,

[slipperman]

Hi Charles,
With respect, that is not what I see when I go to this NVIDIA site - https://www.nvidia.com/en-gb/geforce/drivers/ (Post #78)
Selecting Manual Driver Search and complete the details, then "Start Search" :
NVIDIA1.jpg
Select top item from this display (being the latest!) :
NVIDIA2.jpg
... and Download Now :
NVIDIA3.jpg
Cheers,
Ged

[crstagg]

Yes I see what you found, Ged.
I was looking for "GeForce GTX" not "GeForce 16"

[crstagg]

Hi Charles, many thanks for your reply.

I use my Main computer for MSTS. I only use my Laptop Generally for Checking things.

I use as my Favourite Routes:- Dorset Coast V.6. , MIDEAST Coast and Thames-Trent and occasionally North Wales Coast and The Cambrian Coast V.2. but you are suggesting I scrap them. Makes no sense to me?

Thanks again

Paul.

No I am saying: I would scrap them if they had that many problems. If they are your favorites, why have you not fixed that track node errors?
Why do you keep and run rollingstock with bogie errors, boiler parameters missing, parameter suffixes that cannot be parsed? Activities with misplaced loose consists? I could go on and on from what is listed in the log files. Yes, ORTS only reports errors. Some it fixes others it ignores. But it is up to the user to fix them either by editing or replacing the items.

[pcohen]

Hi Charles, Ged and Geary, thanks again for the help.

I am running Open Rails 1.6.1 using MSTS Files If this makes sense?

thanks

Paul.

[slipperman]

Hi Charles,
Again, it's with respect that I say that fixing track node and bogie errors is not within the capabilities of most members. I have created a not-yet-published utility which fixes the "A virtual wheel axle was added for bogie n" information messages, but I wouldn't know how to fix the many "invalid link to track node 0" messages in the Thames Trent route Paul is running. Some time ago, I posted a question on a Forum on that subject, but received no answer. If I knew what needed modifying, maybe I could create a utility to fix them!
The 'parse' errors need a working knowledge of .eng and .wag files, which not everybody has! As for the 'Steam Boiler Type' and 'Superheat Area', I wouldn't know where to find them!!

Cheers,
Ged

[baldwin]

Hello all
I also have the same track node and rolling stock "bogie errors" as Paul reports. I do not get the sound process errors. My computer is a 10 year old self built desktop. did have 16Gb ram but upgraded last year to 32.

The track node errors are made by the route builder. There is a way to fix those, but knowledge of what goes where is needed by the fixer.

The "bogie errors" have two factors one caused by MSTS the other by OR code. The MSTS factor is that two axle stock does/did not track well through curves and switches, so when building a model, a fake bogie was introduced for one axle. ORTS as coded does not recognise that a bogie can have a single axle and is coded to add another fake axle to the already fake bogie and generate that annoying error message for every one of them.

Mervyn

[pcohen]

Hi Mervyn, thanks for your reply.

Unfortunately your reply Is beyond my Expertise ( for better words).

I am going to throw a spanner into the works here, probably a bit long winded, but here goes! Hope everybody understands
what I'm getting at?

I am using my main Desktop computer whilst doing this, as said previously, Yesterday I upgraded My graphics card for this Computer.

Although I have not yet Installed It on my Laptop.

Whilst Sending and awaiting replies this afternoon I decided to run MidEAstCoast on my Laptop Again just to see what happened and It completed the
Route In one go without any Hang ups. without the graphics Card upgrade.

On previous occasions I have tried to copy & Replace the whole MSTS Folder with Routes and Rolling Stock etc. etc. to my Main Desktop Computer Via my external Hard Drive which Is Large Enough to hold It. But wonder If I should be copying some other Files as well.

As said, hope this makes sense?

thanks

Paul.

[slipperman]

Hi Paul,
First of all, PLEASE do NOT install that GTX 1660 graphics card update into your laptop. If you do, you COULD end up with even bigger problems!

From the logs you have posted, your laptop has two graphics systems :-
AMD Radeon(TM) Graphics (Advanced Micro Devices, Inc.; 485 MB) which I assume, is integrated in the chipset,
and
NVIDIA GeForce RTX 3050 Laptop GPU (NVIDIA; 3,964 MB) which could be a separately installed graphics card.

Do you know which one is set to use as default for Open Rails? I hope it's the NVIDIA because I don't think the AMD has sufficient memory.

Cheers,
Ged

[pcohen]

Good morning everybody.

This Is the latest Log File after the new Graphics Card Update.

Laptop Graphics left alone.

Hope It's In order this Time.

Thanks

Paul.

OpenRailsLog.zip