Is It me thats wrong?

[pcohen]

OpenRailsLog.zip OpenRailsLog.zip Hi everybody.

Well, I'm back on Thames-Trent route again, convinced everything Is Installed correctly.

But, guess what, STILL crashing to the Desktop.

getting awfully close to ending MSTS completely.

OpenRailsLog.zip

Many thanks

Paul.

[slipperman]

Hi Paul,
PLEASE, let's get it right first! You are NOT running MSTS - you are running Open Rails.
Regarding your Thames Trent v3 route - You've got the same old "Thread 'Sound Process' has hung" message.

There are a large number of 'invalid link to track node 0' and 'Ignored invalid track node nnnn pin [0,0] link to track node 0' warnings in the route, but they don't seem to stop it from running.
It'd be great if somebody, with more knowledge than I, could point to a way to avoid these messages from appearing.

Cheers,
Ged

[pcohen]

Hi Ged, many thanks for that.

Paul.

[pcohen]

Hi Ged.

Small update, now have the same Open Rails 1.6.1 setup as you do, although it probably won't make much difference in my case.

Paul.

[oper190]

Paul - A possible problem here, I see you are running V3 of the Route
I looked up the Activity download, and is clearly says "An activity for Thames Trent V2.The Twins To Sheffield."

Therefore you are trying to run a Ver 2 Activity on a Ver 3 Route if that is the same activity you have. Surely V3 has track changes from V2 thus the paths do not match the track data in the route. This could account for many of the errors that are track related and why you keep dropping to Desktop.

[slipperman]

Hi Geary,
You are quite correct BUT the Thames Trent v3 upload (file ID 38678) includes a version the "The Twins St Pancras to Sheffield" activity, presumably modified for v3 of the route.

Cheers,
Ged

[pcohen]

Hi Geary, thanks for the reply.

I understand what you are saying, but this has worked many, many times In the Past.

Was told a long time ago to change The Activity Number from 2 to 3, and, as said has worked perfectly well for me since.

Many thanks for the help.

Paul.

[crstagg]

Hi Geary, thanks for the reply.

I understand what you are saying, but this has worked many, many times In the Past.

Was told a long time ago to change The Activity Number from 2 to 3, and, as said has worked perfectly well for me since.

Many thanks for the help.

Paul.

Why would you need to change the Activity # from 2 to 3 if ver 3 contained an update to the activity? With all the track errors you have I would wonder if you got a clean update when going from 2 to 3. If ver 3 does not require ver 2 already installed, I would recommend moving the Route folder out of the install to a holding folder and Installing ver 3 then testing.

[oper190]

All those track errors and trains not being able to be placed, interactives not where they need to be all indicate the activity is not in being run on the correct Track data base.

I don't to run many English Routes but my curiosity has got me, need to down load that Route for a look see.

[oper190]

Okay a quick update, dowloaded both the Route V3 and the Actvitiy for V2 - so there is one quick question for Paul:

Can you check the Activity File ( The Twins to Sheffield.act ) in the Route and check for date created ( right click on file and select Properties from the dropdown menu ) if the date is: Sunday, April 19, 2015 then that is the V2 of the Activity, V3 will have a date of: Saturday, February 2, 2019
Also the Traffic file for the activity was undated with V3 in 2019. Path and service files seem to be that same.

So it's a good bet that the Ver 3 Activity was modified so the Ver 2 Activity won't work in Ver 3.

[pcohen]

Hi Geary, thanks again.

I am going out shortly, so will have a look at this again In the Morning.

Thanks

Paul.

[baldwin]

Twins to Sheffield for v2 will run on both version 2 and version 3 if the track ID is changed, but as Ged says the version for 3 is supplied along with a load of other activities. The track node errors relate to the build of the route, in particularly far as I am aware, it is caused by errors when laying pointwork

[oper190]

I just checked on MSTS Activity Editor, and renamed Ver2 Activity to Ver 3 Route ID - and in the editor reports all path and services errored as "out of Date" plus of course the missing consists that I don't have. Then swopped with the Ver 3 Activity, no errors other than missing consists, so there are obvious some changes made, most likely in times as the Station times for the player path seemed different, thus an updated Traffic File.

Edit - Did a more detailed comparison and the Player Schedule for Ver 3 is totally different than the Ver 2 Activity so they are NOT swappable without being reedited in the Activity Editor first.

[baldwin]

We are however discussing Open Rails here, which does not flag anything as being out of date, The actual route traversed by the activity is the same in both route versions. That part of the route did not change. Version three added trackage to access the Peak district and Manchester. The activity was updated for version three because the tdb number would have changed and as we know if the tdb changes in MSTS things start to not work, Open rails is not so strict in that area, The only thing that prevents an activity from working on different TDBs in Open rails is a broken path.

[pcohen]

Hello everybody again.

This morning I have been searching for Thames-Trent V.2 with no luck.

I have found Version 3 which I already have, and lots of Activity files refering to Version 2
but no Route.

It strikes me, that If you don't have the Correct Title for a File, then youve no chance of finding anything.

Thought If I went back to the Original Version 2, I would save myself a lot of grief

Any help again with this please?

Many thanks

Paul.