Scalerail missing texture

[RCSD505]

I purchased and installed the CN Ruel route a couple of days ago and I am now having some issues with Scalerail on other routes. Apparently this route installed a different version of Scalerail than I have and now i'm getting texture file errors, specifically for the wood tie m05d switches.

OR is looking for "SR_Track_w405f.ace" I have only up to SR_Track_w405d.ace" in my textures folder.

Any idea what release of Scalerail I need for these?

[CSXT Q-317]

Where did you install Ruel? Was it to a location such as C:\Trainsimulations? I seen to have 405f in the Mullan route.

[geepster775]

Ruel doesn't employ Scalerail.

What "other routes" are now broken? You always need to furnish those specific facts

[RCSD505]

When Ruel was installing, I could see Scalerail shapes being installed as it was going through files, which I though was odd because all the screenshots don't show Scalerail. I was immediately concerned about something like this.

One of my personal routes I am building is the one affected so far. Installing Ruel is the only change I have made and now all of a sudden I am missing that texture file.

If anyone is able to send me the w405e and w405f files, I would appreciate it. Those seem to be the only thing affected.

[CSXT Q-317]

Where exactly did you install this route? Ruel is not scalerail either.

[geepster775]

The installer installs plenty of ScaleRoads shapes, but not ScaleRail.

The shapes in the Global folder needed for any and all Trainsimulations routes call upon DDS textures, not ACE textures.

The objective here is not for someone to send you a handful of ACE files, but for you to understand why a route that is DDS based would need you to ask for ACE files to begin with.

[RCSD505]

The only change I have made to my OR/MSTS install in the last couple weeks is to install Ruel, and during that install I saw it installing some ScaleRail shape files. That is why I believe this has something to do with Ruel, because that is the only change I have made since the problem started.

Maybe it has nothing to do with Ruel, but somehow, some way, I suddenly need this SR_Track_w405f.ace texture.

Now, to be fair, I am going through my Global directory and looking at the .S files in question which are SR_1tSwt_w_M05dR.s and SR_1tSwt_w_M05dL.s and they have a 7/18/2025 modification date, which is around when I installed a newer Scalerail package. Shape Viewer does show these two files calling for this texture.

That doesn't explain why I am just now getting these errors on a route I have been running in OR just about daily with no issues until I installed Ruel on Friday.

Bottom Line: I just need to know where to find this missing texture that is suddenly needed.

[geepster775]

That is not your bottom line.

Ruel installer installs 696 shape files for ScaleROADS. This is likely what you were seeing.

All Trainsimulations routes were built to exist in OR installations, not OR/MSTS installations. These routes install files which call upon DDS textures which is a texture format MSTS does not know about. You cannot just willy-nilly upgrade any global folder containing material from a Trainsimulations route with any "newer Scalerail package" which is likely MSTS-grade which calls upon ACE files. It is likely not newer either, since nobody is out there building newer versions of anything, including ScaleRail, for MSTS.

[RCSD505]

That is not your bottom line.

Ruel installer installs 696 shape files for ScaleROADS. This is likely what you were seeing.

All Trainsimulations routes were built to exist in OR installations, not OR/MSTS installations. These routes install files which call upon DDS textures which is a texture format MSTS does not know about. You cannot just willy-nilly upgrade any global folder containing material from a Trainsimulations route with any "newer Scalerail package" which is likely MSTS-grade which calls upon ACE files. It is likely not newer either, since nobody is out there building newer versions of anything, including ScaleRail, for MSTS.

Let’s pause for a moment.

I am somewhat new to Open Rails but very familiar with MSTS. Am I not supposed to install the TS routes to the directory where MSTS content is? I run open rails exclusively but I use MSTS RE to work on my routes.

I installed the ScaleRail package from the library here long before Ruel on Friday.

I am simply trying to figure out what has happened here and how to undo it so that I can continue to work on my routes.

[derekmorton]

>Am I not supposed to install the TS routes to the directory where MSTS content is

Correct.

TS routes must be installed in a seperate folder from MSTS/OR routes.

Your global folder is now corrupt, you need to restore the global folder from your latest backup.
And you need to install Ruel in the default location c:\trainsimulations, or other location of your choice.

[geepster775]

Am I not supposed to install the TS routes to the directory where MSTS content is?

Winner winner, chicken dinner!

Most people who installed MSTS routes using the old Steam4Me tutorials should have a "1MSTS" folder containing all their MSTS-grade content.

All Trainsimulations routes, which have road and track and scenery shapes which call upon DDS textures, could not mix with the global folder shared by all the MSTS-grade routes inside 1MSTS. It needed a separate version of the Global folder. This is why every route installer for a Trainsimulations route very heavily suggests using "Trainsimulations" as the installation folder name.

And for the longest time, people became used to segregating the OR grade route content away from the MSTS grade material. It became a subject of discipline among the user base.

Then when OR 1.6 was in progress, somebody on the dev team decided to eliminate the need for such user discipline. But that "fix" arrived without any continuing education which avoids precisely the "overwrite confusion" you found yourself taking part in. Which is why I say getting the code to substitute for user discipline is never an answer.

[RCSD505]

Alright, I learned something, thank you.

Back to the original question then.. what is the release of ScaleRail that this suddenly-missing .ace file belongs to? I have checked all of my scalerail routes and this extra texture is nowhere to be found.

[ossie]

I'm no expert on any route related "not working" issues, but if it is any help to you I've got that texture showing up in the DGRW_GreenRiver route and also the Cheyenne route.

[derekmorton]

Ok, It would appear that that file has not been in any scalerail release.

I only have that file in Mullan and Shasta.

[geepster775]

Searching my hard drive, the f shows up in Mullan, Shasta, Sherman, and LaSalle. I have no e.

But please be aware that ScaleRail and ScaleRoads also has its own version compatibility issues. That means even routes built with ScaleRail or ScaleRoads cannot automatically share the same Global folder with other routes built using them. The routes for Sherman and Feather River cannot share the same Global folder because of differences in ScaleRoads packages.

See this thread

https://www.trainsim.com/forums/foru...ons-net-folder