Railcar Count Not Working Quite Right

[meeshu]

Just noticed the car label count doesn't work properly above 220.

Running an exploration activity using Open Rails Monogame New Year version 167.1 and then pressing the F7 key to view locomotive and railcar labels (numbers). The train consists of three locomotives at the front, two hundred and seventy nine well cars, and one locomotive at the rear. The locomotive and car labels seem to work OK until we reach car label 0-220, when the car label count then goes to 0-12, then 0-13 etc. So the car counts looks like . . . 0-219, 0-220, 0-12, 0-13, 0-14 etc!?

Why doesn't the car count continue as 0-221, 0-222, 0-223 and so on as expected?

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[kapitaen]

Which UID numbers for 0-12, 0-13, and 0-14 are listed in the corresponding Consist file?
Jan

[derekmorton]

Those numbers are in the consist.

[meeshu]

Yes. Thanks for the comments.

The F7 "labels" correspond to the UID numbers as indicated within the consist file *.con.

But the question is, why doesn't the UID numbering, in this case, continue from 0-220 in one step increments as in 0-221, 0-222, etc? Why does the UID numbering for this consist continue from 0-220 with 0-12, 0-13, etc for the remaining cars?

[slipperman]

I think you might need to ask the original author! Maybe they changed the order of vehicles?

If you created the consist yourself, that could be a different story! Maybe there's a bug in whichever consist maker you used.

Didn't I read something recently where the UiD values can be re-ordered? Was it the TSRE ConsistEditor?

Ged

[crstagg]

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Didn't I read something recently where the UiD values can be re-ordered? Was it the TSRE ConsistEditor?

Ged

Renumbering is a tool in ConBuilder. TSRE-CE renumbers with each edit.

[meeshu]

Thanks Charles!

Yes, the edits were done with TSRE Consist Editor. So this editor does not continue the numbering sequence of locomotives and cars. I must remember that!

The renumbering in ConBuilder. I notice there is an option for that. But how do you select a range of cars to be renumbered in ConBuilder? I tried various methods (shift mouse click, control mouse click) to select multiple or a range of cars but it only selects (one by one) the cars for the current "page". As soon as you move to another page the selections on the previous page disappear.

[geepster775]

Why would you want to renumber only a range of cars? When you hit the button to renumber in Conbuilder, it generally renumbers from head to toe. What would ever be gained from renumbering only a portion of the consist?

Conbuilder has a limit of 125? or 150? cars, so good luck using that for your 300-car fantasy consists.

TSRE can also renumber from head to toe. The process involves reversing the consist twice after your edits are complete.

This is about the user knowing how to maximize the consist editor of their choice, and knowing the limitations built in to each editor. It has nothing to do with OR acting quirky. If you are seeing garbage output, its usually from garbage input via the consist file, and the editor that built it.

[kraus]

Pickup and drop off events in activities refer to cars by these numbers. When the cars in a consist are renumbered that will change which cars these events are referring. But if you are editing a consist this may be a moot point.

[meeshu]

Why would you want to renumber only a range of cars? When you hit the button to renumber in Conbuilder, it generally renumbers from head to toe. What would ever be gained from renumbering only a portion of the consist?

I was looking at just renumbering the cars after car 0-220 so the numbering sequence would be - 0220, 0-221, 0-222, etc.

Conbuilder has a limit of 125? or 150? cars, so good luck using that for your 300-car fantasy consists.

Ah! I forgot that ConBuilder has a car limit. Actually today there are a lot of 200+ car trains running on the mainlines. I have seen some of these long trains.

TSRE can also renumber from head to toe. The process involves reversing the consist twice after your edits are complete.

Excellent tip! I just tried it out, and it does indeed renumber the cars sequentially as expected!

[meeshu]

Pickup and drop off events in activities refer to cars by these numbers. When the cars in a consist are renumbered that will change which cars these events are referring. But if you are editing a consist this may be a moot point.

Thanks for that comment.

Presently I don't have any specific activities requiring the collection and dropping off of cars (fortunately). So renumbering the cars shouldn't be an issue at this stage.

[geepster775]

You simply need to have your consists in perfect order and health before you start with activity creation. Not a tough hill to climb.

[crstagg]

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Ah! I forgot that ConBuilder has a car limit. Actually today there are a lot of 200+ car trains running on the mainlines. I have seen some of these long trains.
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FYI that is the limits of version 2.4.9 the LAST freeware version of ConBuilder. File date of 9/2/2006. The consist limitation was frequently increased in the payware versions, (For those that still have a payware version of ConBuilder: Don't bother quoting the 150 limit from the Help in version 6 as the Help file was not updated with each increase. The increase of the limit was only announced on the ConBuilder forum with each new version.)

Also, there is no 'selection" of which get renumbered.

And remember there are other consist editors besides ConBuilder and TSRE-CE. And I know of at least one payware creator who created consist for the rolling stock that they created that created Consist files with a text editor.