Ok...time for a scenario, proof of acceptable norms on this site.
1) A person downloads some model/shape file from this site. The original author is named O. Author. The person who downloaded the model/shape file is named M. Modeler.
2) M. Modeler looks at the O. Author model and decides he/she/etc can update the wheels so they are less "flintstone like". After all O. Author made this model 10-15 years ago, so why not make use of the work that was done, but improve on it.
3) M. Modeler de-compiles the model into a format that can be edited and modified.
4) After M. Modeler does that work described in 3) and re-compiles the model....
5) M. Modeler now uploads the model back up to this site and:
a) Acknowledges the original work done by O. Author
b) Describes the changes that were made, improvements made by M. Modeler etc
No harm , no foul, or are we still stuck in the dark ages of previous years?
This is but one of several scenarios. Notice that I purposefully left out contacting O. Author. While not always the case, O. Author might have passed on, or is uncommunicative, either by accident or design. I have seen this before where O. Author cannot be contacted and thus any movement forward is left in "file thirteen" and the hobby wanes for lack of improvements/interest or updates. Ultimately the person who could do/did the updates just keeps the updates on their HD/SSD, never to see the light of day in public here. Is this good?
When it comes to payware we have to play hopscotch. Often the EULA "prohibits" any de-compiling etc. Yet at some point most will do exactly that to improve/fix things. So the tacit NDA strangles any improvements and again the person who could/did the updates just keeps the updates on their HD/SSD, never to see the light of day. Is this good?
At this point I do not even know if showing a screen shot of this modified payware will not garner being drawn and quartered, and banning. This helps the hobby how? Ditto for models from other places that have been adapted to being placed/run in OpenRails.
There may be procedures/methods that allow for converting from other sources, should those also be kept secret? The premise here is that somebody purchases a model from whatever source, not necessarily MSTS/OpenRails, and succeeds in converting it into a shape file that can be used by MSTS/OpenRails. Said person provides a proof of concept as in a screen shot, and also outlines the steps taken to do this. It is left to the reader to a) acquire/purchase the model by legal means, b) redo the work to get it into MSTS/OpenRails, c) NOT SHARE THE FINAL work. Is that acceptable?
This is what I meant by guidance, if not clarification.
Always asking the hard questions, many have accused(complimented!) me of/on being a Philadelphia Lawyer,
Steve
1) A person downloads some model/shape file from this site. The original author is named O. Author. The person who downloaded the model/shape file is named M. Modeler.
2) M. Modeler looks at the O. Author model and decides he/she/etc can update the wheels so they are less "flintstone like". After all O. Author made this model 10-15 years ago, so why not make use of the work that was done, but improve on it.
3) M. Modeler de-compiles the model into a format that can be edited and modified.
4) After M. Modeler does that work described in 3) and re-compiles the model....
5) M. Modeler now uploads the model back up to this site and:
a) Acknowledges the original work done by O. Author
b) Describes the changes that were made, improvements made by M. Modeler etc
No harm , no foul, or are we still stuck in the dark ages of previous years?
This is but one of several scenarios. Notice that I purposefully left out contacting O. Author. While not always the case, O. Author might have passed on, or is uncommunicative, either by accident or design. I have seen this before where O. Author cannot be contacted and thus any movement forward is left in "file thirteen" and the hobby wanes for lack of improvements/interest or updates. Ultimately the person who could do/did the updates just keeps the updates on their HD/SSD, never to see the light of day in public here. Is this good?
When it comes to payware we have to play hopscotch. Often the EULA "prohibits" any de-compiling etc. Yet at some point most will do exactly that to improve/fix things. So the tacit NDA strangles any improvements and again the person who could/did the updates just keeps the updates on their HD/SSD, never to see the light of day. Is this good?
At this point I do not even know if showing a screen shot of this modified payware will not garner being drawn and quartered, and banning. This helps the hobby how? Ditto for models from other places that have been adapted to being placed/run in OpenRails.
There may be procedures/methods that allow for converting from other sources, should those also be kept secret? The premise here is that somebody purchases a model from whatever source, not necessarily MSTS/OpenRails, and succeeds in converting it into a shape file that can be used by MSTS/OpenRails. Said person provides a proof of concept as in a screen shot, and also outlines the steps taken to do this. It is left to the reader to a) acquire/purchase the model by legal means, b) redo the work to get it into MSTS/OpenRails, c) NOT SHARE THE FINAL work. Is that acceptable?
This is what I meant by guidance, if not clarification.
Always asking the hard questions, many have accused(complimented!) me of/on being a Philadelphia Lawyer,
Steve






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