North American mainlines: What hasn't been done?

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  • CSRX
    13500 Post Veteran



    • Oct 2005
    • 13646
    • Lincoln, ME
    • English
    • ORTS

    #16
    Originally posted by dnewmanjr
    Honestly, if any route that needs to be updated to Open-Rails Status, it's the former CNW (UPRR) Clinton Subdivision. Every time I download this route and get ready to edit, there is a GREAT WHITE VOID on the Ole' Miss of Clinton IA.
    I feel like this, the Marias Pass V5, the ATSF TransCon subs, and a few others all need upgrades, kind of like what we saw with the Pokey V2.0.
    -Shawn K-
    MEC Mountain Subdivision - Trackwork 70%, Scenery 35%
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    • dnewmanjr
      Senior Member



      • Jan 2008
      • 874
      • Beaumont, Texas
      • General

      #17
      Originally posted by CSRX

      I feel like this, the Marias Pass V5, the ATSF TransCon subs, and a few others all need upgrades, kind of like what we saw with the Pokey V2.0.
      I was thinking the same thing. Haven't heard much from the TransCon author himself, Bob Wirth.
      Don Newman, Jr.

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      • jbtower
        Senior Member


        • Jul 2005
        • 572
        • Yorkville, Illinois, USA.
        • ORTS

        #18
        The railroad capital is not represented on OR very well other than the CNW which Eric is building. The following would make awesome route with massive switching opportunities as well as Amtrak, freight and suburban commuter traffic.

        The Elgin Joliet and Eastern referred to as Chicago's outer belt and presently owned by CN, The J touches every railroad that enters Chicagoland
        The BNSF racetrack which could actually go from Chicago to Galesburg
        The Panhandle line from Chicago east through Indiana
        There are so many routes out of Chicago that head south
        Finally the Kankakee Beaverville and Southern shortline which runs from just south of Chicago to Indiana and central Illinois, This route which is about 150 miles is owned by a personal friend of mine and I can have access to everything but sadly I have no route building skills! (any takers)
        Kevin Kelleher

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        • Fish4890
          Senior Member

          • Jul 2018
          • 445
          • ENG
          • MSOR

          #19
          NS Chicago Mainline Between Chicago,IL and Selkirk,NY
          Brandon Leister
          Leister Locomotive Works
          My PC--> CPU: Intel i5-11600K RAM: 32GB DDR4-3200 GPU: MSI VENTUS 2X OC 12GB RTX 3060

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          • Metra322
            Senior Member

            • Mar 2007
            • 263
            • Lake County, IL.

            #20
            PRR Ft. Wayne Line from Chicago to Pittsburgh
            PRR Columbus Division from Columbus to Indianapolis
            PRR St. Louis Division from Indianapolis to St Louis
            Amtrak Michigan Lines
            Chicago, Aurora & Elgin aka the Roarin' Elgin
            C&O of Indiana
            An upgrade of the GM&O Northern Lines
            A backdate of the Conrail Indy route to the NYC Era
            Erie Lackawanna from Chicago to Marion, OH
            B&O St. Louis Division from Cincinnati to St. Louis
            B&O Akron-Chicago Division
            NYC Water Level Route from Chicago to Buffalo
            Wabash Mainline from Chicago to St.Louis

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            • CSRX
              13500 Post Veteran



              • Oct 2005
              • 13646
              • Lincoln, ME
              • English
              • ORTS

              #21
              Originally posted by Fish4890
              NS Chicago Mainline Between Chicago,IL and Selkirk,NY
              Uh, that is damn near close to 1,000 miles for a single route... Let's be a little realistic here. Plus, a single crew would hardly ever travel that distance, let alone off the sub they are qualified on.

              I'd dare say the Selkirk Subdivision would be a good start point at least, between Selkirk, NY and Amsterdam, NY.
              -Shawn K-
              MEC Mountain Subdivision - Trackwork 70%, Scenery 35%
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              • Fish4890
                Senior Member

                • Jul 2018
                • 445
                • ENG
                • MSOR

                #22
                Originally posted by CSRX

                Uh, that is damn near close to 1,000 miles for a single route... Let's be a little realistic here. Plus, a single crew would hardly ever travel that distance, let alone off the sub they are qualified on.

                I'd dare say the Selkirk Subdivision would be a good start point at least, between Selkirk, NY and Amsterdam, NY.
                id say that just for the 49/48/448Lake shore Trains but they dont run up to Amsterdam,NY
                Brandon Leister
                Leister Locomotive Works
                My PC--> CPU: Intel i5-11600K RAM: 32GB DDR4-3200 GPU: MSI VENTUS 2X OC 12GB RTX 3060

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                • ossie
                  1000 Post Veteran and Moderator



                  • May 2010
                  • 1298
                  • Melbourne, Australia
                  • MSOR

                  #23
                  I've always been really happy using Seligman as a stand in for a UP desert sub, but for the sake of the list, a modern UP desert sub would be great. Lordsburg in particular if the Arizona Eastern was also able to be included would probably be top of the list. The mix of heavy mainline and shortline ops would make it a winner for me.
                  Last edited by ossie; 01-18-2025, 19:01.
                  Cheers!
                  Pete

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                  • geepster775
                    2500 Post Veteran


                    • Sep 2006
                    • 2846
                    • .
                    • General

                    #24
                    Originally posted by Metra322
                    PRR Ft. Wayne Line from Chicago to Pittsburgh
                    I recently came across this 2 hr video from a 1984 cab ride on the combined Capitol/Broadway train between Ft Wayne and Valparaiso. At the time the train carried the Broadway's numbers but the Capitol name. I think I counted only 8 or 9 mild curves in the track over the entire distance. Had to have been a fantastic, high speed, straight shot in the steam age. It also looked like a dearth of industry, very slim pickings. Route used to be 2-track ABS current of traffic, with a couple of 4-track 'wide spots' where there were both east and west sidings controlled by towers. At the time Conrail was busy lifting the north track (main 2) and the first hour and twenty minutes the rails are gone from main 2, just ties remain, and then you get closer to Valpo and the rail train hadn't gotten there yet. The Amtrak shared the track only with ELFW/FWEL (Elkhart/Ft Wayne) between Ft Wayne and Warsaw, beyond that there were no other scheduled freights and the Cap had the line all to itself. ELFW/FWEL ran with power on both ends because the connection in Warsaw was in the wrong quadrant (SE, and Elkhart needed a NE quadrant connection), so the freight crew had to change ends to the other power on the rear after making the turn at Warsaw. I can understand why, later on, NS was using the CFE rather than the NYC or NKP for the volatile crude trains for a spell. If they wrecked, very little civilization impacted.

                    My Open Rails videos https://www.youtube.com/@lakecities3663/videos

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                    • eric
                      9500 Post Veteran and Administrator



                      • Dec 2002
                      • 9583
                      • NS MP245.4 CNO&TP South District
                      • English, SQL
                      • General

                      #25
                      Originally posted by ossie
                      I've always been really happy using Seligman as a stand in for a UP desert sub, but for the sake of the list, a modern UP desert sub would be great.
                      I'm trying... Yuma to Tucson will be done one of these days. And I know someone else was working on the Yuma Sub from West Colton.
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                      • eric
                        9500 Post Veteran and Administrator



                        • Dec 2002
                        • 9583
                        • NS MP245.4 CNO&TP South District
                        • English, SQL
                        • General

                        #26
                        Originally posted by dnewmanjr

                        I was thinking the same thing. Haven't heard much from the TransCon author himself, Bob Wirth.
                        Bob passed away about five years ago.

                        https://www.trainsim.com/forums/foru...0335-bob-wirth
                        Last edited by eric; 01-18-2025, 20:52.
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                        • ossie
                          1000 Post Veteran and Moderator



                          • May 2010
                          • 1298
                          • Melbourne, Australia
                          • MSOR

                          #27
                          Originally posted by eric

                          I'm trying... Yuma to Tucson will be done one of these days. And I know someone else was working on the Yuma Sub from West Colton.
                          That sounds great Eric! Thank you very much.
                          Cheers!
                          Pete

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                          • dnewmanjr
                            Senior Member



                            • Jan 2008
                            • 874
                            • Beaumont, Texas
                            • General

                            #28
                            Originally posted by eric

                            Bob passed away about five years ago.

                            https://www.trainsim.com/forums/foru...0335-bob-wirth
                            Oh no!! I'm so sorry to hear about that, Eric. As much as I loved his routes, and I had no idea he's gone. 😓
                            Don Newman, Jr.

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                            • agentatascadero
                              Senior Member

                              • Aug 2004
                              • 151
                              • carmel valley, ca, us.
                              • ORTS

                              #29
                              I'll add another vote for the former SP Cal-P lines from Oakland out to San Jose, Tracy, Sacramento, and Woodland....or further.

                              AA

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                              • amtrakmattburb
                                Senior Member
                                • Aug 2008
                                • 212
                                • Wyandotte, Michigan, USA

                                #30
                                Michigan in general seems to be a bit underrepresented in OR. The only available routes are my Detroit-Toledo route, the Holly Subdivision, the half-fictional DT&I route and the payware LS&I Iron Ore route.

                                Just the Amtrak Michigan Services alone would open up many opportunities, including switching.

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