Issues with throttle on electric locomotive.

[Ed B]

I am attempting to drive a class 76 electric loco on the Woodhead v4 route. The engine was downloaded from MSTS. I have both pantographs up, reverser on forward, brakes off (pressure 21). I advanced the throttle to 100% which is confirmed by the display of the action, but the throttle indicator in the F5 window remains at zero although yellow indicators on either side of the throttle display do show that the action is being recognized, The loco does show a type of "electric" and the route does have overhead wires set. However, the loco will not move. The loco and its train do operate when it is not the train specified in the timetable mode. Incidentally, I also have this issue trying to rub an emu, so the issue is not limited to one loco. Can anyone shed any light on this please?

[oper190]

After releasing brakes, have you tried Initializing Brakes? Keys: / + <SHIFT>

I know there is a more complex real word way also, using other function keys.

[Ed B]

Thanks for your suggestion. I've just tried it now but., unfortunately, the problem still exists.

[R. Steele]

Ed, it would be helpful if you provided a download location for this electric locomotive, then members could check the file for problems....sometimes electrics made for MSTS do not function as expected in OR.

[slipperman]

Hi Ed,
I've just run 76001 (UKTS_6186/file ID 6186) using Open Rails v1.5.1.
I had no problem running, or stopping, the loco!

May I, respectfully, suggest that the route you're attempting to run it on is not electrified?

Cheers,
Ged

[oper190]

Had to think on this, and recall having the same problem with my Acela, and HHP engines. ( Maybe other electrics too )

Are you seeing a message re: "Dynamic Brakes" - found from reading ( maybe a post here somewhere ) that these engines did not have dynamics but it was written into the ,eng file as part of the braking system, but were not made operable so OR does not see them being released, so won't run.

First off make a copy of the engine file, so if this doesn't work you can revert back. Then remove all reference to Dynamics from within the engine file. and see it that solve your problem. As my Acela and HHP worked after doing this. I removed the entire Dynamics section from the engine file and any reference to them: such as lines like:
BrakesEngineControllers( "Train, Dynamic, Blended" ) to read BrakesEngineControllers( "Train, Blended" ) - Doing so and my engines run fine.

[Ed B]

Hi Gerry, Ged, & oper190. I'll answer your questions in the order posted.
Gerry, although I downloaded from MSTS, I found the same file on TrainSim. It's file ID29656, BR Class EM1 Electric Locomotive 26034.
Ged, the route properties shows Electrification Overhead wire.
oper190, there is no reference to "Dynamics in the .eng file.

One other thing, I can run this loco with no problems in MSTS. I will switch out 26023, replacing it with 76001 & try again. It just seems that in the F5 window, the throttle never changes from zero.

Thankyou all for your help.

[slipperman]

Hi,
With respect, oper190, the 76001 loco runs perfectly OK in Open Rails without any of your suggested modifications!
Raise the pantograph, set Reverser to Forward, release the train brakes, increase the throttle to about 15 and off you go!
The only time any dynamic brake 'flag' is displayed is when the train brakes are re-applied - "Dynamic Brake Setup", followed by "Dynamic Brake 0%", then "Dynamic Brake OFF". Hardly a problem, I would think!!

The only thing wrong with this loco is that the speed is shown in kph instead of mph

Cheers,
Ged

EDIT: Apologies, Ed. 26023 does NOT work in Open Rails although it runs OK in MSTS! It might be because the brakes are specified as Vacuum_Single_Pipe but there are no vacuum brakes parameters. MSTS seems more intelligent than Open Rails, or not!!
EDIT 2 : Changing the 'vacuum_single_pipe' on lines 48, 783 and 784 to read 'air_twin_pipe' and changing line 59 from 'BrakeCylinderPressureForMaxBrakeBrakeForce( 21 )' to 'BrakeCylinderPressureForMaxBrakeBrakeForce( 90 ) will enable the loco to run. I appreciate that other values will probably need changing, but this is a beginning!!

[Ed B]

Thanks slipperman, I'll make those changes & try again. I changed the consist, replacing 26034 with 76001 & it runs.

oper70, apologies. My last response stated that there ere no references to "Dynamics". I was searching for Dynamics, not Dynamic,

[slipperman]

Hi Ed,
Alternatively, if you wish to retain the vacuum braking, you could do the following :
Download file ID 39054 from the library and unpack the .zip file.
In your TRAINSET/DD_CLASS_76_26023 folder add a new folder named OpenRails (EXACTLY that!)
From the unpacked .zip file, open folder Class 76 and copy file DD_CLASS_76_26002_VB.eng into the new OpenRails folder, then rename it as DD_CLASS_76_26023.eng (ie to match the original)
Open this renamed file and remove the WagonShape and Cabview lines (18 and 1276), then save the file.
The other option to the last action is to replace the WagonShape and Cabview lines with those from the original (MSTS) file.

Cheers,
Ged

[oper190]

The only thing wrong with this loco is that the speed is shown in kph instead of mph

Had a similar problem with a Route that was North American, but when running an activity with American equipment I was seeing "kph" displayed even thought the cabview was written for mph. I changed engines with the same result. I found that in the Route .trk file is a line ( MilepostUnitsKilometers ( ) ) that defines the speed displayed. If you want that Route to show mph simply change it to MilepostUnitsMiles ( ) but that will change it for all engines and display when running the route. NOTE: It will throw off milepost distances if they were calculated for kilometers.

In my case the Route was North American, therefore miles, but written to display kilometers.

Also I should have been more clearer, RE: Dynamics vers Dymamic

[slipperman]

Hi Oper190,
DOH!! You are quite correct! I was running the Class 76 on one of the default Japanese routes, which uses "MilepostUnitsKilometers ( )". If I'd used NEC, I wouldn't have seen the 'problem'!

Cheers,
Ged

[Ed B]

Hi Everyone,
Since most of my rolling stock is vacuum brakes, I used Ged's suggestion re downloading. file ID 39054. and the option tor replace the WagonShape and Cabview lines.This has solved the problem. Thankyou all for your suggestions and I hope I may be of similar help to others in these forums. A great community.

Ed