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  • dkingsburg
    Senior Member
    • May 2010
    • 564
    • Cabot, Arkansas
    • MSOR

    #16
    Randy,
    I'm Starting to Figure Out the Track Viewer but I'm Still Unsure of What to Do Next to Get to that Point.
    Thankyou,
    DaveK

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    • OmenRotcod
      Senior Member
      • Apr 2022
      • 153
      • Calgary, Alberta, Canada
      • MSOR

      #17
      The path "NYSW SU-99.pat" is completely broken.Q-271 & SU-99 use this same path.​ TrackViewer cannot fix it automatically, as far as I can tell. There are so many broken nodes, it seems better to make a new path, which is easy enough to do with TrackViewer. Give it a shot. It's not clear (because of the broken points) where the path should begin and end, but the Activities are basically simple run-throughs — no reverse points and so on — so getting it close should be good enough. Someone familiar with the actual route may able to indicate just where you could begin and end.

      Hope this helps,
      David

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      • R. Steele
        3500 Post Veteran

        • Feb 2013
        • 3928
        • known universe
        • ORTS

        #18
        Originally posted by OmenRotcod
        TrackViewer cannot fix it automatically, as far as I can tell. There are so many broken nodes, it seems better to make a new path, which is easy enough to do with TrackViewer.David
        To "fix" the path for activity CSX Q-156 I did a combination of fixing broken nodes and rebuilding the path....but Omen is correct, so many broken nodes, it is quite easy to make a new path --- For those unfamiliar with the Trackviewer --- there is a good manual to be found in the Documentation folder that is included with the most recent Stable version. For convenience I've attached a copy here.

        ORTS Trackviewer manual.zip
        Attached Files
        Cheers, Gerry
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        • dkingsburg
          Senior Member
          • May 2010
          • 564
          • Cabot, Arkansas
          • MSOR

          #19
          After Reading the Manual I Think I'll Just Run SU-99 and Q-271 on My L&HR 1940 Route and Leave Well Enough Alone. It's Way Beyond My Capabilities to Try and Fix the Paths so I'll Just Leave it.
          Thankyou for all the Help.
          DaveK

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          • OmenRotcod
            Senior Member
            • Apr 2022
            • 153
            • Calgary, Alberta, Canada
            • MSOR

            #20
            Well, for anybody that might be interested in running these Activities, here is my shot at correcting them. They may not be exactly what the original author intended, but I hope they will at least enable anyone to run the three Activities in question.

            David

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            • dkingsburg
              Senior Member
              • May 2010
              • 564
              • Cabot, Arkansas
              • MSOR

              #21
              Omen,
              They Worked. Thankyou,
              DaveK

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              • motormaster532
                Senior Member
                • Jan 2011
                • 465
                • New York

                #22
                Instead of banging your head against the wall,consider creating entirely new PATHS for these Activities.

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                • dkingsburg
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                  • May 2010
                  • 564
                  • Cabot, Arkansas
                  • MSOR

                  #23
                  These are for V1.0 & V2.0 of the L&HR Route and I Was Trying to Update them to Work on Either the 1940's or V4.0 Versions.
                  DaveK

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                  • R. Steele
                    3500 Post Veteran

                    • Feb 2013
                    • 3928
                    • known universe
                    • ORTS

                    #24
                    Originally posted by dkingsburg
                    I Was Trying to Update them to Work on Either the 1940's or V4.0 Versions
                    Dave as most everybody has suggested after seeing the condition of the paths....it would be easier to make new paths instead of repairing old ones....because of all the broken nodes...it is possible to fix the nodes, but you would need more experience with trackviewer.

                    1. Load a path you want to fix
                    2. Find the probable starting point node ( green flag node ) --- you might have to make a best guess. Note that location
                    3. Find the probable ending point node ( red flag node ) --- you might have to make a best guess. Note that location
                    4. If you can, examine the whole path to get an idea of it's general pathway from start to end --- this may be difficult due to broken nodes, or changes in track data base.
                    5. Make new path -- choose New Path under Path-Editor tab ... place starting point at location in step #2.
                    6. Draw path using mouse going from node to node....if the path gets stuck on a node and you cannot go further use Shift + PageUP to auto extend the path to it's logical end point. ( These short cuts Shift+PageUP & others are found in the manual )
                    7. IF the path does not end where you want it to end, you may have to move the mouse cursor over a switch node and choose "take other exit" to direct path to your desired end point. ( see screenshot below )
                    8. Place end node and save path ( use same name as broken path - overwriting the file when asked ).
                    That's pretty much a short course in making a path. Refer to the manual.

                    Any one else reading this....please jump in if I've missed something, or you have a shortcut I am not aware of.

                    patheditor.jpg
                    Last edited by R. Steele; 08-17-2024, 14:50.
                    Cheers, Gerry
                    "A mind is like a parachute. It doesn't work if it is not open." Frank Zappa
                    It's my railroad and I'll do what I want! Historically accurate attitude of US Railroad Barons.
                    Forever, ridin' drag in railroad knowledge.
                    Audi, Vide, Tace, Si Vis Vivere In Pace​

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                    • dkingsburg
                      Senior Member
                      • May 2010
                      • 564
                      • Cabot, Arkansas
                      • MSOR

                      #25
                      Gerry,
                      Thankyou for the Help but I'm Still Having Problems. These Activities are for V1, V2 and V3 versions of L&HR. I Have the 1940's & V4.0 and I'll Just Stick with the Activities for those two that Will Work. I Downloaded and Installed CR Indy 2 and I'll use it.
                      Thankyou,
                      DaveK

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                      • OmenRotcod
                        Senior Member
                        • Apr 2022
                        • 153
                        • Calgary, Alberta, Canada
                        • MSOR

                        #26
                        Okay, Gerry, just one minor thing I can think to add and that is in your point #5. When you click on the start point, it will sometimes go in the opposite direction to the one you want, e.g., north instead of south. In that case, right mouse button click and choose "Change Start Direction."

                        Speaking from my own experience, trying to update old Activities to new ones is a pretty thankless task when it comes to the path situation. Not only as regards start and end points, but also taking sidings, AI traffic and passing paths, etc. I have had (questionable) success in only a few cases.

                        David

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                        • OmenRotcod
                          Senior Member
                          • Apr 2022
                          • 153
                          • Calgary, Alberta, Canada
                          • MSOR

                          #27
                          Originally posted by dkingsburg
                          I Downloaded and Installed CR Indy 2 and I'll use it.


                          I'm not certain, but there might be some old Activities for version 1 of ConrailIndy in the library, so you might run into broken path problems with them in route version 2.

                          David

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