Baldwin RF16 "Sharknose" Locomotive Stalled

[lvlender]

I have the Baldwin RF16 "Sharknose" Locomotive Set from Columbus Locomotive Works. The throttle will advance to only 3% power. Clicking the ‘D’ key the throttle advance from zero to 2% and then to 3%. No amount of clicking will increase the throttle further.

EDIT* I found the throttle string in the .eng file. It was only set for 2 notch positions. I copied over the throttle parameters from another locomotive
and that fixed the CLW Baldwin files. (Strange that CLW would let a payware set go out like that.)

[crstagg]

I have the Baldwin RF16 "Sharknose" Locomotive Set from Columbus Locomotive Works. The throttle will advance to only 3% power. Clicking the ‘D’ key the throttle advance from zero to 2% and then to 3%. No amount of clicking will increase the throttle further.

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Sounds like you were running the RF16 without the B unit.

Also CLW was freeware not payware.

[charland]

Old way of making a throttle, you just need to hold down the D key until your in the teens to

[lvlender]

no Charles..,
I was running the A and B unit.

CLW may not charge for downloads but, In order to get into the Columbia Locomotive Works downloads page, I had to join as a member. As I recall, there was an annual or some other fee, not unlike Trainsim.com.

"All downloads can be found in the Download Products category of the Support forum. You must be a registered forum user to access the downloads.”

In any case, for now, none of the CLW website pages open other than the main screens. Perhaps CLW is no longer a source. Too bad, if that is so.

[oper190]

I have the sets so will give them a try. In past I had no issues, will post result later.

[R. Steele]

I have the default originals....as you can see by the side-to-side comparisons --- the original/default engine file has a 2 Notch throttle, that should be changed.

By the way, the program Beyond Compare is an excellent utility tool for use in the hobby.

RF16A.jpg

[crstagg]

I have the default originals....as you can see by the side-to-side comparisons --- the original/default engine file has a 2 Notch throttle, that should be changed.

By the way, the program Beyond Compare is an excellent utility tool for use in the hobby.

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YES. Looked at my file dates and the A-units have been edited.

[oper190]

Yes the engine files need to be edited, just tried the D&H A-unit as there was no B-unit for D&H and got nowhere fast. So am copying the throttle data from the B-unit into all the A-Units.

Did same for Dynamics as well - using same notch settings.

[R. Steele]

Strange that CLW would let a payware set go out like that.

We've covered the payware aspect ( even though CLW had a forum, they weren't payware ) so the other aspect....

MSTS hacks, errors, mistakes, coding peculiarities, etc. A plethora ( Love that word, almost sounds like a name for a small dinosaur ) of ingenious ( and some not so ingenious ) hacks, file/copy errors exist in msts files to this day.

lvlender -- you will find that OR is very robust in accommodating legacy MSTS content but only so much can be done. Many of the corrections are left up to the end user....you will be running into more of these cases, especially if you dig around the internet for old msts sites to find content to run in OR. The hobby is moving on through Open Rails, and a lot of the early stuff is just being left behind....historical interest aside.

[Fish4890]

I'm Still having problems with these RF16 "Sharknose" Units Stuck at 3% Throttle any Fix?


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[R. Steele]

Throttle any Fix?

What have you done? Copy&post engine file?

[Fish4890]

What have you done? Copy&post engine file?

havent done Anything Yet

```
EngineControllers (
Throttle ( 0 1 0.025 0
NumNotches ( 2
Notch( 0 1 Dummy )
Notch( 0.03 1 Dummy )```

is from the NYC RF-16 Should i Change NumNotches from 2 to 8?

[R. Steele]

havent done Anything Yet

Take a look at my post #6, below is the complete "Engine Controllers" section for the A Unit --- Compare with your files....copy&paste corrections as needed.

AWSMonitor(
MonitoringDeviceMonitorTimeLimit( -1 )
MonitoringDeviceAlarmTimeLimit( 5 )
MonitoringDevicePenaltyTimeLimit( 0 )
MonitoringDeviceCriticalLevel( 0 )
MonitoringDeviceResetLevel( 0 )
MonitoringDeviceAppliesFullBrake( 0 )
MonitoringDeviceAppliesEmergencyBrake( 1 )
MonitoringDeviceAppliesCutsPower( 0 )
MonitoringDeviceAppliesShutsDownEngine( 0 )
)
EngineControllers (
Throttle ( 0 1 0.125 0
NumNotches ( 9
Notch ( 0 0 Dummy )
Notch ( 0.043 0 Dummy )
Notch ( 0.120 0 Dummy )
Notch ( 0.239 0 Dummy )
Notch ( 0.341 0 Dummy )
Notch ( 0.500 0 Dummy )
Notch ( 0.658 0 Dummy )
Notch ( 0.814 0 Dummy )
Notch ( 1 0 Dummy )
)
)
Brake_Engine ( 0 1 0.025 0.75
NumNotches ( 2
Notch( 0 0 EngineBrakesControllerReleaseStart )
Notch( 0.012 1 EngineBrakesControllerApplyStart )
)
)
Brake_Train ( 0 1 0.0125 0.6
NumNotches ( 6
Notch( 0 0 TrainBrakesControllerFullQuickReleaseStart )
Notch( 0.2 0 TrainBrakesControllerReleaseStart )
Notch( 0.4 0 TrainBrakesControllerHoldStart )
Notch( 0.6 0 TrainBrakesControllerNeutralhandleOffStart )
Notch( 0.8 0 TrainBrakesControllerContinuousServiceStart )
Notch( 1 0 TrainBrakesControllerEmergencyStart )
)
)
Brake_Dynamic ( 0 1 0.11 0
NumNotches ( 10
Notch ( 0 0 Dummy )
Notch ( 0.11 0 Dummy )
Notch ( 0.22 0 Dummy )
Notch ( 0.33 0 Dummy )
Notch ( 0.44 0 Dummy )
Notch ( 0.55 0 Dummy )
Notch ( 0.66 0 Dummy )
Notch ( 0.77 0 Dummy )
Notch ( 0.88 0 Dummy )
Notch ( 1 0 Dummy )
)
)
Combined_Control( 0 1 0.5 0.5 throttle dynamic )
DirControl ( -1 0 1 1 )
BellToggle( 0 1 0 )
AWS ( 0 1 0 )
Sanding ( 0 1 0 )
Horn ( 0 1 0 )
Wipers ( 0 1 0 )
EmergencyStopResetToggle( 0 1 0 )
EmergencyStopToggle( 0 1 0 )
Vigilance ( 0 1 0 )
Headlights ( 0 0.25 1 0 )
BailOffButton( 0 1 0 )
)

[pschlik]

This problem definitely should not be happening, but maybe OR is giving Baldwin the same treatment as real life. Baldwin were cursed and couldn't follow standards to save their bank account (hence the fact they never survived past first gen diesels) and in this case that meant using a pneumatic throttle with no notches. I assume they thought they were terribly clever making a throttle with greater adjustability...but failed to consider that would render their equipment incompatible with everyone else's equipment in a railroading environment where you needed more than one locomotive on any given train.

The original is set up with a smooth throttle (the "1" in between "0.03" and "Dummy" should tell OR that the throttle is without notches), but the real problem is that doesn't seem to work here. Replacing the Throttle engine controller with an 8 notch one is not accurate, maybe try a 1 notch throttle where the only notch is "Notch ( 0 1 Dummy )"?

[R. Steele]

and in this case that meant using a pneumatic throttle with no notches.

It's an msts hack! Trying to emulate the original and msts did not give a @#%%$&#$....but OR ahems and coughs a little.

not accurate,

Oh please Phillip....this whole world is not accurate [ I see your underline and raise you a bold and an italics] = it's a virtual hobby world...we can make up physics...and games always are doing so. This is all play & make believe. Trying to achieve some sort of believable semblance to real physics & appearances is a worthwhile goal...but rabbit holes lead to looney tea parties.