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  • dkingsburg
    Senior Member
    • May 2010
    • 564
    • Cabot, Arkansas
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    #1

    New Computer

    I Have a New Computer and Plan to Install OR. Do I Need to Install the MSTS Program before I Install Open Rails?
    Thankyou,
    DaveKfromUP
  • R. Steele
    3500 Post Veteran

    • Feb 2013
    • 3928
    • known universe
    • ORTS

    #2
    No you do not. This from the Open Rails FAQ page >>> http://openrails.org/learn/faq/


    Do I need Microsoft Train Simulator installed to use Open Rails?

    You do not need Microsoft Train Simulator installed in order to use Open Rails.

    If Microsoft Train Simulator is installed, then Open Rails can safely make use of all the Microsoft Train Simulator content as it does not change any Microsoft Train Simulator files.

    Most non-Microsoft Train Simulator routes, activities and rolling stock make use of some Microsoft Train Simulator content, usually sound files, textures and cab interiors. If products designed for Microsoft Train Simulator are used on a PC with Open Rails but not Microsoft Train Simulator, then they are likely to work but some sounds and textures will be missing. Such files will be listed with warnings in the Open Rails log file.
    How can I recognise add-on products for Microsoft Train Simulator that require Microsoft Train Simulator files?

    Add-ons designed for Microsoft Train Simulator may rely on files from the Microsoft Train Simulator product. For instance:

    Routes provided with an Install.bat file that copies shapes and textures from the routes on the Microsoft Train Simulator CDs.
    Locomotives that re-use cabviews or sounds from the locomotives on the Microsoft Train Simulator CDs (see folder TRAINSET).
    Rolling stock that have sound management (SMS) files that refer to wave files from the Microsoft Train Simulator CDs (see folder SOUND).

    If I install Open Rails, will it change my Microsoft Train Simulator files?

    No, Open Rails does not modify any Microsoft Train Simulator files.
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    • Orbita
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      • Oct 2020
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      #3
      Definitely watch out for routes with an installme.bat file. I've seen it used on routes as new as a few years ago.

      Frankly, I'd recommend getting routes that are "mini routes", aka routes that have everything packaged. All you do is install and run them right away without taking extra steps.
      Kyle

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      • crstagg
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        • Nov 1999
        • 4885
        • Huntsville, AL
        • Texan
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        #4
        Originally posted by dkingsburg
        I Have a New Computer and Plan to Install OR. Do I Need to Install the MSTS Program before I Install Open Rails?
        Thankyou,
        DaveKfromUP
        Dave,
        I did the same about 5 months ago. Sequence does not matter, But you do need to install MSTS so that you create a registry entry for some utilities. My new system has Win 11. I followed the Steam 4 Me prcedure and then copied the old install saved from my old PC overwriting the new install. I assume you still have yours.
        Charles

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        • eric
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          • Dec 2002
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          #5
          No, you don't need to install msts to get the registry entry.

          It's easy to add manually.

          If you like what you see here at Trainsim.com, be it the discussions and knowledge in the forums, or items available in our library, I hope you'll consider a paid membership to help support keeping the site operating.... Thanks!

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          • dkingsburg
            Senior Member
            • May 2010
            • 564
            • Cabot, Arkansas
            • MSOR

            #6
            Charles,
            I Had a Major Problem with my Old Installation. The Track was Up in the Air in a Lot of Places and there we're No Tracks Just the Rails. It Looked Like the Line was Laid in Concrete. I Tried Reinstalling Everything and it Didn't Correct the Problem. I Still have My Original Train Simulator Discs.
            My New Computer has Win 11 Also.
            I Have to Reinstall Route-Riter and Shape Viewer Also and Conbuilder.
            Do They Go in the Same File as MSTS and OR or What.
            Thankyou,
            DaveKfromUP

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            • crstagg
              4500 Post Veteran


              • Nov 1999
              • 4885
              • Huntsville, AL
              • Texan
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              #7
              Originally posted by dkingsburg
              Charles,
              I Had a Major Problem with my Old Installation. The Track was Up in the Air in a Lot of Places and there we're No Tracks Just the Rails. It Looked Like the Line was Laid in Concrete. I Tried Reinstalling Everything and it Didn't Correct the Problem. I Still have My Original Train Simulator Discs.
              My New Computer has Win 11 Also.
              I Have to Reinstall Route-Riter and Shape Viewer Also and Conbuilder.
              Do They Go in the Same File as MSTS and OR or What.
              Thankyou,
              DaveKfromUP
              Any utility should be installed in its own separate folder.

              I think RR and Shape viewer default their own folder in Program Files. When Win ? (7 or 10) came out Joe recommended that CB be installed outside of any protected folder.

              I hope you weren't implying to install MSTS and OR inthe same folder. That should NEVER be done.
              Last edited by crstagg; 05-10-2023, 12:52.
              Charles

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              • dkingsburg
                Senior Member
                • May 2010
                • 564
                • Cabot, Arkansas
                • MSOR

                #8
                Charles,
                MSTS Should Default to C, Program Files X86, then to Microsoft Games.
                I Think OR will Self Direct Like it did on My Old Computer.
                DaveKfromUP

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                • eric
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                  • Dec 2002
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                  #9
                  Don't install MSTS in that default Program Files Microsoft Games location.

                  Do yourself a favor and install to c:\MSTS
                  If you like what you see here at Trainsim.com, be it the discussions and knowledge in the forums, or items available in our library, I hope you'll consider a paid membership to help support keeping the site operating.... Thanks!

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                  • dkingsburg
                    Senior Member
                    • May 2010
                    • 564
                    • Cabot, Arkansas
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                    #10
                    Charles,
                    I Copied it to C and Deleted it from the Games Folder.
                    DaveKfromUP

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                    • slipperman
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                      • May 2010
                      • 3787
                      • Worksop, UK
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                      #11
                      Hi Dave,
                      You're storing up yet more trouble for yourself!!
                      If you copied MSTS from "the Games Folder" to C:, the Registry entry is still pointing to the Games folder!
                      Please restore it to the Games folder then uninstall it properly - the Registry entry will then be removed. When that's done, install it into C:\MSTS as suggested by Eric.

                      Cheers,
                      Ged

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                      • dkingsburg
                        Senior Member
                        • May 2010
                        • 564
                        • Cabot, Arkansas
                        • MSOR

                        #12
                        Ged,
                        OK, I Uninstalled it and will Reinstall to C. What About the Update?
                        DaveKfromUP

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                        • slipperman
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                          • May 2010
                          • 3787
                          • Worksop, UK
                          • MSOR

                          #13
                          Hi Dave,
                          When you apply the v1.4 update, you must change the WinZip Extractor to point to C:\MSTS (instead of C:\Program Files\Microsoft Games\Train Simulator), or press <Browse> and select your C:\MSTS folder.

                          Cheers,
                          Ged

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                          • dkingsburg
                            Senior Member
                            • May 2010
                            • 564
                            • Cabot, Arkansas
                            • MSOR

                            #14
                            Ged,
                            Do I Create a New Folder for MSTS in C?
                            DaveK

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                            • eric
                              9500 Post Veteran and Administrator



                              • Dec 2002
                              • 9583
                              • NS MP245.4 CNO&TP South District
                              • English, SQL
                              • General

                              #15
                              Dave, I think we might want to take a few steps backward....

                              Here's a stab at what directories should and shouldn't be used for a new installation of MSTS and/or OpenRails....



                              (Everyone else: please add comments to that for things that should be included and I'll move them up)
                              If you like what you see here at Trainsim.com, be it the discussions and knowledge in the forums, or items available in our library, I hope you'll consider a paid membership to help support keeping the site operating.... Thanks!

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