My Complaints about Open Rails

[Kuckoo]

I was promised that OR was a drop-in replacement for MSTS with the implication that (even if not by default) it has a mode that offers 100% compatibility... instead I get reproached that I compared the graphic engine of NFS:HP to this piece of shit? Why can't I? Because they are both graphic engines of games involving vehicles moving on a set track? So the difference between the 500 fps I should be getting based on how OR looks and the 15 fps I get is taken up by quantum-molecular physics simulations of the couplers? Give me a break.

I can will find no goodwill for thousands of people who spit into the face of MSTS and expect me to believe it was a sacrament.

Oh, the drama...

By your logic (such as it is) DCS World should run as smoothly on a bare minimum spec toaster as Ace Combat: Assault Horizon on the same hardware because they are both graphic engines of games involving planes moving in the sky.

It's baffling how someone can have such a total lack of understanding and be so aggressively dense about it.

[EldoradoRailroad]

let us start from the beginning...

The best thing to do is to post your Open Rails log file. Last time I checked it is on your desktop. If you want to be helped, it is the surest way to get help.

Anything that seemed to run MSTS ok, might not work for Open Rails hardware wise.

Like you, there are compromises to live with because we do not have the source code to MSTS and never will. When you reverse engineer something as complex as MSTS you cannot recreate an EXACT duplicate of it somewhere else, from the ground up. That might have been the "intention" 10+ years ago, but Open Rails progressed beyond that, albeit most likely not to your exact specifications/expectations.

If you feel anger towards this project, I suggest you step back from it for the mean time, and enjoy something else that gives you more pleasure.

We volunteer our time, free of charge with this project, and we all have our frustrations with the path Open Rails is taking. The trick is to make your efforts with this project work for the better. Not everybody can do that, and it is important to understand and deal with our own/others talents/limitations for an open source project such as this.

From what you have written/complained about there are clearly some hardware issues. Your Open Rails log file will help us locate them for you.

Steve

[eric]

Who are we trying to fool? I was promised that OR was a drop-in replacement for MSTS with the implication that (even if not by default) it has a mode that offers 100% compatibility...

Nobody promised anyone a drop-in MSTS replacement or 100% compatibility. They got pretty darn close when you consider the tens of thousands of functional requirements.


Enjoy playing MSTS. Maybe I can introduce you to someone I know who finds Netflix too confusing so they still play VHS tapes on a 70" 4K TV and complain that it's blurry...

[steamonly]

Nobody promised anyone a drop-in MSTS replacement or 100% compatibility.

Too bad, I've never seen this "drop-in" replacement offer.Paul

R. Steele did. It's also spammed all over the internet, in places MSTS is mentioned. You only have look.
It's as if someone googled the relevant keywords and then started a marketing campaign to satisfy his ego.

Can't complain about free.

Nothing is free in this world friendo. If you got more than you deserve, you don't have to rub it in everyone's face.

there are compromises to live with because we do not have the source code to MSTS and never will. When you reverse engineer something as complex as MSTS you cannot recreate an EXACT duplicate of it somewhere else, from the ground up. That might have been the "intention" 10+ years ago, but Open Rails progressed beyond that, albeit most likely not to your exact specifications/expectations.

First of all, thank you for the measured response, Steve. I am firmly convinced that the source code issue (making a source port) would disappear if there was a team remotely capable of executing such task, from start to finish, without any thought of "improvement" at each and every step. Fortunately MSTS runs irreproachably on moden PC's (aside from a crash or two), and that is truly a testament to the rigorous nature of its code.
Otherwise there is no reason to worry. I made my sanguine contribution to OpenRails, judged it as an unsalvageable product (or movement or philosophy or religion or whatever it is considered by those making it better and better and better and better), and now consider it a shut case.

[tarrant75]

Wow!!! Nothing quite like saying "Thank you for being patient with my rants and being rational..." only to follow it up with "you're a bunch of incompetent twits who couldn't blow their nose without a map and a fan!"

Personally I'd say this one is a troll looking for attention. Ten posts overall on the boards and seems to have really only come to complain about how he can't Open Rails to work better than his version of a 20+ year old game.

[bwbrgb]

Hey Guys !

Maybe we should feel sorry for the poor loser ! He's the one missing one of the best Sims out there and we can still enjoy the ORTS as it grows and develops .
Personally I've always found that the " Tinkering " is a big part of the pleasure . I never wanted a " Run out of the Box " Sim or " Game " and that's why the old MSTS came along for so many years .
Most of us that have been at this for a couple of decades have seen so many modifications and improvements to MSTS and ORTS that we look forward to future adjustments and improvements .

Remember the old saying - - " Never look a Gift Horse in the mouth " - - just enjoy what you get - - patience is a wonderful thing !

[gammaray84]

Personally I'd say this one is a troll looking for attention. Ten posts overall on the boards and seems to have really only come to complain about how he can't Open Rails to work better than his version of a 20+ year old game.

This.

[charland]

I've been here for a while, I might have been here for a while longer if it wasn't for the first time I asked for help.

After I discovered Trainsim.com I started downloading rolling stock and added them to my library. After I got tired of using the same routes I downloaded my first route from the library. I read the Readme and followed the directions to install the route, but after the fourth attempt I gave up. I opened an account here and asked for help. My one and only reply was from a well known moderator who told me to read the instructions and quit bothering people. I did do the quit part.

Two years or so later I got interesting in the sim again, came back, downloaded and successfully installed Rich Shirey's L&HR route. Next I started making and posting activities for it and Rich and I became good friends. One evening our of curiosity I searched for anything about the first route I downloaded and was rudely told by a moderator to piss off. Turned out there were a couple of dozen other people who had the same results as I did and it turned out that the route was taken down because it was so full of flaws nobody could have gotten it to work.

So, maybe this guy is just frustrated, or maybe a troll, never really sure from this end.

Paul

[geepster775]

Come on guys,

You own a 300 FPS computer and are all living in Open Rails heaven, while he is living in 20 year old MSTS hell running only Kuju default routes on an 11 FPS computer, with a pocket full of $20 words and a Harvard dictionary. There is no reason to take your advantages in life and rub someone else's face in it. This movement or philosophy or religion or whatever should have taught you better. And besides, every time one of you thousands of people spits on MSTS, it gets recorded in a log book.

[eric]

And besides, every time one of you thousands of people spits on MSTS, it gets recorded in a log book.

I'm pretty sure I'll have my own chapter in that book.

[motormaster532]

Eric,just my opinion,but I think it is time to send this thread "to the cornfield". Brian

[spoony1999]

Eric,just my opinion,but I think it is time to send this thread "to the cornfield". Brian

Nah this is pretty entertaining.

[Kuckoo]

Come on guys,

You own a 300 FPS computer and are all living in Open Rails heaven, while he is living in 20 year old MSTS hell running only Kuju default routes on an 11 FPS computer, with a pocket full of $20 words and a Harvard dictionary. There is no reason to take your advantages in life and rub someone else's face in it. This movement or philosophy or religion or whatever should have taught you better. And besides, every time one of you thousands of people spits on MSTS, it gets recorded in a log book.

According to steamonly, everything he's having frustration with is OR's fault, and anyone who disagrees is "spitting on MSTS", etc. No elbow room for considering that maybe he's doing something wrong or maybe his hardware simply isn't up to what he's asking of it. The only questions he asks are rhetorical and accusatory.

This is the kind of narcissistic victimhood that one sees far too often nowadays, made worse by enabling from virtue signallers.
Everything that's wrong on their end, someone or something else is always to blame for it. And you're a bad person with unfair advantages if you don't agree.

The only deserved response to this stupidity is ridicule.

[eric]

Eric,just my opinion,but I think it is time to send this thread "to the cornfield". Brian

I considered it... before voicing my opinion. Now that I'm in the conversation, it would be a conflict of interest for me to close it down.

[motormaster532]

I considered it... before voicing my opinion. Now that I'm in the conversation, it would be a conflict of interest for me to close it down.

Eric,you ALWAYS had a lot of ethics! Brian