Southern Pacific Shasta Route - Development Thread

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  • PerryPlatypus
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    • Jun 2009
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    #31
    This line definitely has lots of history to it, so intriguing questions.

    Backdating the Shasta route to the 1950's would take time, but not impossible (it's nothing I plan on doing, but maybe someone can make a fun private project out of it some day!). It would mean putting back in a number of sidings that were removed, such as Small (below Cantara), Bolam and Cougar up along Mt. Shasta, Erickson, Jerome, Bray, and others north (RR east) of Grass Lake. Dunsmuir's old yard and steam locomotive servicing facilities would need to be restored. And most likely a lot of signals replaced and re-spaced along the route. In the 1950's there were still lower quadrant semaphores on the Black Butte to Klamath Falls segment of the route (which is about 3/4ths of the route), as this portion did not receive CTC until the 60's.

    1890's would be vastly more difficult, first and foremost because some 80% of the route did not exist as of the 1890's. At that point, SP's "Natron Cutoff" mainline via Klamath Falls and Pengra/Willamette Pass did not exist, and SP's mainline to Oregon was the Siskiyou Line. So the only portion of my route that would work for the 1890's would be the 20 or so mile segment from Dunsmuir to just south of Black Butte. My above screenshot along the river IS on this segment.

    By the way Andre, a pretty spectacular late 1800's route would be Weed Lumber Company's railroad from the mill at Weed up to Grass Lake and beyond, with lots of feeder spurs. It had a roller coaster grade profile as steep as 4% twisting around the base of lava flows on the side of Mt. Shasta. This route was later incorporated into the SP system when they first started building their new mainline via Klamath Falls, and was the last link to get replaced in the 1920's by a much more favorable route between Black Butte and Grass Lake (1.4% max) to complete the new Natron Cutoff mainline. Let me know if you need reference material, if you ever feel the need to dive down yet another rabbit hole.
    ~Sean Kelly~
    SP Shasta Route for Open Rails: https://www.trainsimulations.net/sp-shasta​
    MRL Mullan Pass for Open Rails: https://www.trainsimulations.net/mullanpass

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    • crstagg
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      • Nov 1999
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      #32
      I vote for 1950s!!!!
      Charles

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      • trainmanaustin
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        • Oct 2004
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        #33
        Looking good Sean!

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        • Lurker57
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          #34
          Mayve a silly question but is it same Klamath Falls which is in Whitefish X?

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          • crstagg
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            #35
            Originally posted by Lurker57
            Mayve a silly question but is it same Klamath Falls which is in Whitefish X?
            ????????? There is no Klamath Falls listed in the Track Diagram Whitefish 10 PDF nor do I find one in Montana or Idaho or Washington searching on Google Earth. All I find is the one in Oregon.
            Charles

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            • PerryPlatypus
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              #36
              Couple possibilities I can think of for Lurker's confusion. They could be thinking of either Columbia Falls or Kootenai Falls, both of which are in Montana. Whitefish 10 has trackage in western Montana, northern Idaho, and northeastern Washington.

              The geographic north end of my Shasta route is Klamath Falls, Oregon (which coincides with the south end of Maple Leaf Tracks' Cascade Crossing route.) The south end of my Shasta route is Dunsmuir, California. So a good 400-500 miles separate my route from Whitefish 10.
              ~Sean Kelly~
              SP Shasta Route for Open Rails: https://www.trainsimulations.net/sp-shasta​
              MRL Mullan Pass for Open Rails: https://www.trainsimulations.net/mullanpass

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              • PerryPlatypus
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                #37
                Happy New Year all! A few progress screenshots of recent work on the route... First, on the relatively dry east side of the Cascades, a westbound PTPCX blasts upgrade on a chilly, foggy morning midway between Kegg and Bray.

                WB trailers below Bray by Sean Kelly, on Flickr

                WB trailers below Bray by Sean Kelly, on Flickr

                On a much sunnier morning, the Swift Roadrailers fly across the Butte Valley between Macdoel and Dorris.
                EB Swift Roadrailer at Macdoel by Sean Kelly, on Flickr

                A heavy westbound freight laden with Pacific Northwest lumber climbs the 1% compensated grade past the old ballast pit at Kegg.
                WB at Kegg by Sean Kelly, on Flickr

                WB at Kegg by Sean Kelly, on Flickr

                WB at Kegg by Sean Kelly, on Flickr

                An empty sugar beet train headed for the beet loadouts on the Modoc Line climbing the grade between Andesite and Cougar off the northwest side of Mount Shasta.
                EB beets at Andesite by Sean Kelly, on Flickr

                EB beets at Cougar by Sean Kelly, on Flickr

                EB beets at Cougar by Sean Kelly, on Flickr

                EB beets at Cougar by Sean Kelly, on Flickr
                Last edited by PerryPlatypus; 01-02-2021, 16:19.
                ~Sean Kelly~
                SP Shasta Route for Open Rails: https://www.trainsimulations.net/sp-shasta​
                MRL Mullan Pass for Open Rails: https://www.trainsimulations.net/mullanpass

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                • eolesen
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                  #38
                  Is the sage a forest or individually placed?


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                  • dgionet
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                    #39
                    Beautiful scenery! Lots of twists and turns along this route, I can see. Keep up the good work Sean!

                    Denis

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                    • PerryPlatypus
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                      #40
                      Eric - Essentially all the sage brush in these screenshots are forest regions. I am using individually placed objects for some vegetation, but 99% of trees and bushes are part of forest regions.

                      Thanks Denis! This is one of the most scenic lines in the western US in real life, it's quite a challenge to realistically represent the wide variety of biomes along this line (lush river canyons, subalpine forests, high desert, dry pine forests, open plains, marsh/wetlands, lava flows, etc.
                      ~Sean Kelly~
                      SP Shasta Route for Open Rails: https://www.trainsimulations.net/sp-shasta​
                      MRL Mullan Pass for Open Rails: https://www.trainsimulations.net/mullanpass

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                      • trainmanaustin
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                        • Oct 2004
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                        #41
                        Wow Sean! This route looks like it will be just as if not more amazing than Mullan Pass!

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                        • solarnet
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                          #42
                          WOW! Looks absolutely fantastic. Keep up the great work. Any idea when it might be released? No hurry, just curious.

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                          • dedwa15237
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                            #43
                            I am impressed.... Nice job there!!
                            Dave Edwards

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                            • R. Steele
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                              #44
                              Superlative example of route construction! Beautiful. I'm familiar with the terrain up there...hiked it in my youth.
                              Cheers, Gerry
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                              • PerryPlatypus
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                                #45
                                Thank you all

                                Austin - The goal is definitely to meet or exceed Mullan's scenery quality. I am trying to focus on aspects that I personally feel were weaknesses in Mullan and improve on those this time around.

                                Richard - No expected release timeline for now. There are still dozens of miles with no scenery yet. May not even be in 2021 if my day job keeps being crazy busy as it has been lately. I've learned my lesson before about being too ambitious with claiming when my routes will get done lol.

                                Gerry - I've also spent a lot of time hiking up in this country, such a great area to explore and go camping away from the "yahoos" further south in California
                                Last edited by PerryPlatypus; 01-03-2021, 14:44.
                                ~Sean Kelly~
                                SP Shasta Route for Open Rails: https://www.trainsimulations.net/sp-shasta​
                                MRL Mullan Pass for Open Rails: https://www.trainsimulations.net/mullanpass

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