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  • trainman_47
    Senior Member
    • Sep 2005
    • 984
    • .Texas

    #1

    Concerned about buying Mullen pass.

    First of all let me explain that I do use Open Rails but something is either not set right or my version is too old. A good example of my problems came after getting Trainsimulations Rual route. While the route downloads and runs fine, it's the rolling stock I have issues with. Same thing after getting there Milwaukee road set (with freight cars) While the engines seems to work fine, when I try using say a boxcar or any other that came with the set, I get error messages! If this helps at all, I'm still using the old activity editor. It's what I'm use too and would like to continue using it if possible. 35 bucks is a fair amount of change for a route that I will no doubt have the SAME issues with concerning rolling stock. Can anyone help?
  • trainmanaustin
    Senior Member
    • Oct 2004
    • 126
    • Helena, MT

    #2
    Originally posted by trainman_47
    First of all let me explain that I do use Open Rails but something is either not set right or my version is too old. A good example of my problems came after getting Trainsimulations Rual route. While the route downloads and runs fine, it's the rolling stock I have issues with. Same thing after getting there Milwaukee road set (with freight cars) While the engines seems to work fine, when I try using say a boxcar or any other that came with the set, I get error messages! If this helps at all, I'm still using the old activity editor. It's what I'm use too and would like to continue using it if possible. 35 bucks is a fair amount of change for a route that I will no doubt have the SAME issues with concerning rolling stock. Can anyone help?
    Upgrade it to 1.31

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    • PerryPlatypus
      Senior Member

      • Jun 2009
      • 951
      • Spokane, WA
      • English
      • MSOR

      #3
      Originally posted by trainman_47
      First of all let me explain that I do use Open Rails but something is either not set right or my version is too old. A good example of my problems came after getting Trainsimulations Rual route. While the route downloads and runs fine, it's the rolling stock I have issues with. Same thing after getting there Milwaukee road set (with freight cars) While the engines seems to work fine, when I try using say a boxcar or any other that came with the set, I get error messages! If this helps at all, I'm still using the old activity editor. It's what I'm use too and would like to continue using it if possible. 35 bucks is a fair amount of change for a route that I will no doubt have the SAME issues with concerning rolling stock. Can anyone help?
      Do you get errors with the Milwaukee freight cars ONLY in the MSTS activity editor, or also while running Open Rails? To answer your question, you WILL get errors if you try to open the Mullan locomotives and freight cars using the old MSTS activity editor, because the Mullan content uses DDS textures, which are not supported by the old editor.

      If you choose to purchase Mullan, we highly recommend you use the current stable version of Open Rails. The stable version is what was used to test the route.
      ~Sean Kelly~
      SP Shasta Route for Open Rails: https://www.trainsimulations.net/sp-shasta​
      MRL Mullan Pass for Open Rails: https://www.trainsimulations.net/mullanpass

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      • trainman_47
        Senior Member
        • Sep 2005
        • 984
        • .Texas

        #4
        Sean,

        I downloaded the OR version 1.3.1 you recommended now my system is saying I don't have proper software to open it! Which activity editor would you recommend? I would rather not use that TSRE. I've heard it's a major pain.

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        • trainmanaustin
          Senior Member
          • Oct 2004
          • 126
          • Helena, MT

          #5
          Originally posted by trainman_47
          Sean,

          I downloaded the OR version 1.3.1 you recommended now my system is saying I don't have proper software to open it! Which activity editor would you recommend? I would rather not use that TSRE. I've heard it's a major pain.
          I have not had issue with TSRE.

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          • conductorchris
            2500 Post Veteran

            • Mar 2010
            • 2905
            • Vermont
            • General

            #6
            TSRE is better than MSTS
            The activity editor is not 100% fully formed, but it is workable.

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            • motormaster532
              Senior Member
              • Jan 2011
              • 465
              • New York

              #7
              Originally posted by trainman_47
              First of all let me explain that I do use Open Rails but something is either not set right or my version is too old. A good example of my problems came after getting Trainsimulations Rual route. While the route downloads and runs fine, it's the rolling stock I have issues with. Same thing after getting there Milwaukee road set (with freight cars) While the engines seems to work fine, when I try using say a boxcar or any other that came with the set, I get error messages! If this helps at all, I'm still using the old activity editor. It's what I'm use too and would like to continue using it if possible. 35 bucks is a fair amount of change for a route that I will no doubt have the SAME issues with concerning rolling stock. Can anyone help?
              This can be fixed. First off,you should create a seperate folder for your "Open Rails" installation. I created "E Open Rails",installed the latest version of "Open Rails" into it and the copied my "TRAINS" folder with the subfolders "Trainsets and Consists into it. Then I installed the Ruell Sub into that neew installation and no problems! The problem that you are having,as having been pointed out is that content that is strictly Open Rails is not compatible with MSTS content in the MSTS Activity Editor. If you try to build a mixed consist using MSTS,you will get the "Error" messages that you have gotten. Unfortunately,the only way to solve this problem is to use TSRE. I am not knocking it,I love the TSRE Consist Builder but I agree that the TSRE Route Editor can be daunting. Have only about figured out 70 percent of it myself. I do not find the Tutorial clear enough for a Luddite like me to understand clearly. I have problems with setting up AI traffic and placing Static Consists. Since I am a wiz with the MSTS Activity Editor,that is where I do my Activity creation,but ONLY for MSTS AND Open Rails compatible rolling stock. Got to get it in gear if I want to create Activities for Ruell and Mullens Pass when I purchase it. Hope this helps,if not clear, I will try to clarify. Have Fun. Brian

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              • trainman_47
                Senior Member
                • Sep 2005
                • 984
                • .Texas

                #8
                I could have sworn I saw a thread in here somewhere (might not have been on this one) where it mentioned WHAT boxes to check or uncheck in Open Rails options regarding the new Mullen Pass route.

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                • trainmanaustin
                  Senior Member
                  • Oct 2004
                  • 126
                  • Helena, MT

                  #9
                  Originally posted by trainman_47
                  I could have sworn I saw a thread in here somewhere (might not have been on this one) where it mentioned WHAT boxes to check or uncheck in Open Rails options regarding the new Mullen Pass route.
                  It is in the manual for Mullan Pass.

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                  • commec61
                    Senior Member

                    • Dec 2004
                    • 166
                    • Davenport, FL
                    • English
                    • MSOR

                    #10
                    Originally posted by trainman_47
                    First of all let me explain that I do use Open Rails but something is either not set right or my version is too old. A good example of my problems came after getting Trainsimulations Rual route. While the route downloads and runs fine, it's the rolling stock I have issues with. Same thing after getting there Milwaukee road set (with freight cars) While the engines seems to work fine, when I try using say a boxcar or any other that came with the set, I get error messages! If this helps at all, I'm still using the old activity editor. It's what I'm use too and would like to continue using it if possible. 35 bucks is a fair amount of change for a route that I will no doubt have the SAME issues with concerning rolling stock. Can anyone help?
                    First off trainman_47, your issues don't seem to lie with the routes themselves, but the fact that you are trying to still use MSTS AE. This is like trying to use windows (any version) on say a Commodore 64. They are not compatible. New routes and trainsets from TrainSimulations may not be compatible with MSTS. If you get them to work on your machine, then you're fortunate. These items are built for Open Rails and all of the editors that are currently out there for it. If you keep trying to use something that they are not intended to work on, then you will have issues. I am not trying to be harsh or anything, just stating the obvious.
                    Last edited by commec61; 03-28-2020, 12:39.
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                    • geepster775
                      2500 Post Veteran


                      • Sep 2006
                      • 2846
                      • .
                      • General

                      #11
                      I agree. Like it or not, people are going to have to invest in the time needed to learn TSRE. Not only are the DDS textures in play in current routes that MSTS tools know nothing about or how to handle them, but some rolling stock names are beginning to exceed the 30 character limit imposed by MSTS and its generation of tools, and consists sizes are exceeding the old consist builder limits.

                      The sooner you get on it, the sooner you get over it. The 50 creative ways of multiple people asking "do I really really really need to learn something new?" has run it's course.

                      I do wish Trainsimulations would once again collaborate with Goku and update their download of a "packaged" version of Goku's products moving beyond version 6.958, getting up to 6.9763 (or the next 6.977) that also includes the Shape Viewer component, along with unpacking the third icon for shape viewer on desktops of those who install it, while gently recognizing that this effort should NOT be Trainsimulation's responsibility in the first place. But they took the steps before to further our progress. Maybe it is in their soul to do it again. One stop shopping and one click install for newbies is always appreciated.

                      After installing the 0.6958, I periodically update the TSRE version manually on my system while editing the respective batch file for each function to reflect the new version number, and clearly I have "borrowed" one of the existing icons for the third component)

                      My Open Rails videos https://www.youtube.com/@lakecities3663/videos

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                      • seagoon
                        5000 Post Veteran

                        • Jun 2001
                        • 5161
                        • Yamba, N.S.WALES, Australia

                        #12
                        Originally posted by commec61
                        ... I am not trying to be harsh or anything, just stating the obvious.
                        Obviously it isn't obvious to those of us who are not into OR to the extent that many others may be.
                        IBM XT i386; 512Kb RAM; 5.25" FDD; 1.4Mb FDD; 5Mb HDD; VGA 256-colour graphics card; AdLib soundcard; DR DOS 6.0; Windows 3.0

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                        • seagoon
                          5000 Post Veteran

                          • Jun 2001
                          • 5161
                          • Yamba, N.S.WALES, Australia

                          #13
                          Originally posted by geepster775
                          Like it or not, people are going to have to invest in the time needed to learn TSRE.
                          Only if we are interested in creating/editing....and I gave up on that several years ago.
                          Now I simply download what others create - it's far easier, less time-consuming and the end result is usually better than what I could be bothered doing, anyway.

                          So please...keep creating and uploading, you clever people!
                          IBM XT i386; 512Kb RAM; 5.25" FDD; 1.4Mb FDD; 5Mb HDD; VGA 256-colour graphics card; AdLib soundcard; DR DOS 6.0; Windows 3.0

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                          • michelouim
                            Senior Member

                            • Jul 2013
                            • 322
                            • Mont-St-Hilaire, QC

                            #14
                            Originally posted by seagoon
                            Obviously it isn't obvious to those of us who are not into OR to the extent that many others may be.
                            I think i understand what you are saying. For myself, it took some time to move to OR and TSRE. I think some here might remember me asking about OR and my MSTS assets or any other questions. The transition was not hard, i just dive in it. My first move was to learn about TSRE(i am still learning 3 years later) and i did it slowly and i can say now that i enjoy it. It is way better than MSTS-RE, not even in the same league. I am still at the stage of finishing a projet, that i started in MSTS-RE. I only play what is done by others, freeware or payware routes, but soon, i will have to learn how to make my own activities and paths for those routes and in my project.

                            What i did first was getting over my fear of the new, and to proceed at my pace. Simple as that. And remember that here, there is a lot of people that are willing to help you, they are great people and i do thank them for their help.

                            Michel

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