Horseshoe Curve.....and a rant.....

**crstagg** · 09-09-2019, 15:31

You did not need the first paragraph. All that was need is the rant.. We would have known what it referred to. Been stated in other posts.

**geepster775** · 09-09-2019, 16:59

Meh, no biggie in the loss dept. Most of what was in there was a real hodge-podge, and 90% had been released before. The SD40s had flintstone wheels - yawn. The dash-9s had the wrong sized plow (there was a misguided phase there of 'one plow size fits all') A total mash-up of new and old wheel tread types. The only real things that made that pack were the p5-equipped highnose GP38-2s (although they had round wheels they still had dated Danny Beck era underframes and bad rad fan spacing) and the TopGon hoppers which had to be reskinned by most seasoned simmmers anyway. They also had the roadrailers but David Rowe came out with nicer ones freeware.

**amtrak115** · 09-09-2019, 17:48

I believed I used the David Rowe one's to replace the SLI ones....

**geepster775** · 09-09-2019, 18:16

I think I even deleted the SD70ACes that came with that pack because the new Open Rails-only ones that came with the steel slab train were so much better.

I forgot about the notch nose SD70Ms. They were a minor rework of the UP notch set with addition of round wheels and rear ditchlights. Someone reskinned the UPs to NS, the UPs and NS reskins should all be in the library here. As close as you can get.

They are still developing, just Open Rails grade of content now. They posted some renders of some Conrail GP40s in the works, the MRL route, a B&O route that looked like the Met Sub/Cumberland Sub area, and another CN route that looks like Toronto-Montreal.

**lateagain** · 09-10-2019, 08:41

Come on Guys! I think you need to step back and look at the OP's point?

The pack was old. It may not have been perfect. It was built for the route. It worked "out of the box".

Put yourself in the position of someone who wants to run acts for a route that had a stock pack and THEN explain to me how telling him there are much better models available anyway is helping?

Slagging off old payware models is as daft as comparing new car technology with that on offer 7 years ago. OF COURSE there have been many improvements both in freeware and payware but this seems to overlook the point that good routes take years to build and new ones (of quality) don't pop-up all the time. Payware manufacturers (with ONE NOTABLE exception) do not update already released packs and would hardly get any sales on re-releasing old packs with identical stock to their latest modelling standards!

Given that this is the MSTS forum you might just as pointlessly say TS models are better

Meh.... rant over ....but I do sometimes wonder about some responses on here.

**Sidewinder** · 09-10-2019, 11:11

I often wonder about people who spend more time commenting about post counts and join dates which can and are deceiving rather than spending all their time actually helping people debug their problems or unravel the mound of aliasing and package assembly on the nuts and bolts level that comes from their persistent need to run "free".

**conductorchris** · 09-10-2019, 11:15

Well I appreciated having that pack and I suppose I still do. Unfortunately I don't know the original question: how to get it now.
Christopher

**Sidewinder** · 09-10-2019, 11:50

I get it that the OP was just venting. But no amount of venting will bring the dead back from the grave. I do give him lots of credit for getting back into the swing of things and solving his own substitution related workload. Kudos to you, sir.

This may seem strange, but there actually are a few users out there who are intermittent simmers who dumped their previous installs and they actually think they are owed support from volunteers to get it back so they can briefly kill their boredom once more. It must be shocking for them, and their advocates, to discover such is not the purpose of our little group.

**llanning08** · 09-10-2019, 13:22

Trainsimsulations has posted their older "retired" products on a separate page and they are still for sale:

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https://www.swreg.org/com/storefront/42904/

The Norfolk Southern Horseshoe Curve Trainset is found there.

**MMSS** · 09-10-2019, 13:40

Originally posted by llanning08

Trainsimsulations has posted their older "retired" products on a separate page and they are still for sale:

404 Not Found

https://www.swreg.org/com/storefront/42904/

The Norfolk Southern Horseshoe Curve Trainset is found there.

I remember in a message they posted somewhere that they were switching their payment server service and the old pages including the retire page will no longer be available. I know people that tried to use the page you posted here and they couldn't finalize the payment. So use it at your own risk. I believe the retired items page was valid until 12/31/2018 then they switched.

**amtrak115** · 09-10-2019, 15:39

Originally posted by llanning08

Trainsimsulations has posted their older "retired" products on a separate page and they are still for sale:

404 Not Found

https://www.swreg.org/com/storefront/42904/

The Norfolk Southern Horseshoe Curve Trainset is found there.

That's the first link I've found that appears to work, thanks

**amtrak115** · 09-10-2019, 15:59

Originally posted by amtrak115

That's the first link I've found that appears to work, thanks

I'll have to correct that....it doesn't work...it says shop closed. and that's ok, now. I got the activity running and was able to run Open Rails with the stock I was able to download here and there. Would it have been easier...sure, but I was able to figure out alot about how activities work again. Was I concerned about the level of detail provided in the package. If my goal to to "Collect" accurate representation of every locomotive I used, then maybe it was better I didn't get the pack. In either case, and my point was I got the pack running. The fact that someone created models and skins back a few years ago, but for some reason or another are withholding that just doesn't seem right. Don't get me wrong, I want to compensate an author for his work....After all these years. $20 bucks for something that has probably been superseded by another author seems a bit excessive. I'm not just picking on SLI, there are others, but it was a rant. I'm working to figure out how to "modify" routes using TSRE5, Create routes use TSRE5 and look forward to future release of Open Rails. What I believed happened to MSTS, was the push for multiplayer....caused the cost for development to exceed what MS wanted to put in the product. 3dTrainStuff, went ahead and built Run-8 which I looked into, but I'm not interested in "multiplayer"...I have a number of projects from way back when till now.....SP Lafayette Sub Division....(Running Sunset limited out of NOUPT over the Huey P Bridge would be awesome..., Trinity Railway Express, Dallas to Ft Worth....probably my first crack at route design...mainly because it's straight....and it's local to me., anyway....rant part due..over.....I posted a video in the Open Rails screen shot forum of a run across Horseshoe Curve. And as one of my favorite YouTube creators says...This is Amtrak115 ....Out.

**geepster775** · 09-10-2019, 16:04

Official notification that came during the Dec '18 holiday sales email.

**MMSS** · 09-10-2019, 19:47

Originally posted by geepster775

Official notification that came during the Dec '18 holiday sales email.

Thanks. I knew I read it like I posted below. Thank for posting this.

Horseshoe Curve.....and a rant.....

Horseshoe Curve.....and a rant.....

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