TCS Emergency brake

[rainmaster]

Is there any way to turn this off. I have looked at posts on Elvas Tower. No sensible answers. One post even talking about modifying eng files. This is not an engine problem as it doesn't happen in MSTS.
But when this emergency brake comes on it makes Open Rails virtually useless. OR is absolutely superb without this brake problem.
Any help appreciated,

Lance

[geepster775]

Make sure Speed Control under the general options tab is unchecked

[charland]

Before I move a train I go into Manual Mode (Ctrl + M). If you don't, and go off the path and over a switch, you will go into emergency.

Paul :-)

[woodfyr]

Agreed ! TCS Braking IS a royal PITA. Even in Manual (Cntrl + M) it will activate for no apparent reason. It is even harder sometimes to get it to clear. Should be a user selected option at best

[ebnertra000]

I believe there's an option in one of the options menus to disable most TCS scripts. I think they'll still get you if you run a red light, but if you do that...well...

[charland]

Never noticed that before, on the first page of Options, at the bottom of the General tab, there is a check box for disabling TCS script. The problem might be how many people know what a TSC script is.

Paul :-)

[geepster775]

When in explore mode you will also get an emergency brake under exceeding speed limit conditions unrelated to signalling and switches lined against you.

If you uncheck speed control. it disables all of that

I have neither box checked (speed control and disable TCS scripts) and don't have the pesky e-brake problem. But then I largely run SLI/TS and DW content so my ENG files are fairly consistent and do not vary wildly as it would be with crowdsourced content

[Komachi]

I still run in to issues with it, with issues pertaining to signals, especially signals that are doubled. I do think it should be toggleable in it's entirety; however I brought this up on ET awhile ago and was basically told no, it's staying as it is. So don't get your hopes up.

[dforrestc]

When in explore mode you will also get an emergency brake under exceeding speed limit conditions unrelated to signalling and switches lined against you.

If you uncheck speed control. it disables all of that

I have neither box checked (speed control and disable TCS scripts) and don't have the pesky e-brake problem. But then I largely run SLI/TS and DW content so my ENG files are fairly consistent and do not vary wildly as it would be with crowdsourced content

I am trying to implement this. Should the above not read "I have speed control not checked and disable TCS scripts checked and don't have the pesky e-brake problem" or am I misunderstanding something?

[geepster775]

Both unchecked.

I think disabling the entire speed control module makes the other a moot point. Only my guess.

It's one of those things not explained very well in the manual, and the graphics in the manual are woefully out of date.

And Komachi, what do you mean by 'signals that are doubled'? Are you talking about routes that were built with some non-prototypical signal spacing such as 2 sets of signals for one complex interlocking?

[tooltroll]

I still run in to issues with it, with issues pertaining to signals, especially signals that are doubled. I do think it should be toggleable in it's entirety; however I brought this up on ET awhile ago and was basically told no, it's staying as it is. So don't get your hopes up.

Sometimes I feel that the devs are so wrapped up in their slavish devotion to accurate physics and recreating all of MSTS's bugs & limitations, that they completely ignore what the community actually wants. We'd been pleading for an editor for years, and when Goku finally gives us one, they pounce on him. That episode served to demotivate me from doing anything with OR for the past 6 months or so. Not meaning to bash here, just frustrated and anxious because I don't want to spend thousands of hours working on a route for a sim that might never reach its full potential.

[R. Steele]

Sometimes I feel that the devs are so wrapped up in their slavish devotion to accurate physics and recreating all of MSTS's bugs & limitations, that they completely ignore what the community actually wants. We'd been pleading for an editor for years, and when Goku finally gives us one, they pounce on him. That episode served to demotivate me from doing anything with OR for the past 6 months or so. Not meaning to bash here, just frustrated and anxious because I don't want to spend thousands of hours working on a route for a sim that might never reach its full potential.

Accurate physics and legacy compatibility to MSTS are two of Open Rails fundamental principles, along with being Open Source.

I won't touch the "pouncing on Goku" bait....that's just a misrepresentation of history. If you're so easily demotivated by something that happened to someone else, over which you had no control...then you were just looking for an out for yourself. Personal commitment to something should ideally be independent of what others are doing...you either choose to do it or not. If you do choose to do it, give it your all, the best you can do...that in itself is the reward.

There are not many instances in this remarkable experience ( life ) we are privileged to enjoy that something reaches its full potential. Who decides what "full potential" is? It's participation in the journey that makes it worthwhile. It is always improving upon what you previously accomplished and moving forward that provides richness of experience. No matter what your skill level, talents, or potentials are.

Finally, ( at last the hot air supply is giving out ) What the heck does this have to do with TCS emergency brakes.????
Appears as if we are both blowing a little hot air!

[tooltroll]

As I said, I don't mean to dump on it, nor did I intend to hijack the thread, it's just what Komachi's comment put me in mind of. OR is a wonderful achievement, and I understand why compatibility and physics are so important, but when is good enough, good enough? And why can't compatibility include backwards compatibility that embraces the new, while still including the old? Will we forever be limited to .s and .ace and all the other MS/Kuju baggage? What's been accomplished is great, and the innovations that have been included are promising, but a lot of the shortcomings of an almost twenty year old sim are still there. As for 'full potential', I was phrasing it optimistically; What demotivates me is that due to some silly personality conflict the whole thing will go poof and disappear, making my efforts pointless and wasted. Everybody's brain works a little differently, and while I enjoy the ride, I'd like to get something accomplished, too.

[R. Steele]

Man-O-Man, I couldn't disagree with you more, perhaps if you'd kept up with developments, went over to Trello, you'd notice that many of those items your are talking about are being debated, implemented and planned for. The details of which I'd be happy to discuss with you...if you'd start a specific thread in the OR forum...till then...TCS only byeeeee!.

[rockislandfan]

If you run explore mode in OR and you have disabled the TCS scripts and speed control but still find yourself going into emergency while passing some signals, then try this. Open the engine file of the engine you were running and look for this line "MonitoringDeviceAppliesEmergencyBrake ( 0 )". Change that value from a one to a zero. That should do it.

Ron