Zig Zag Railway starter set stock not loading in TSRE5

**dreamcatcher1962** · 11-21-2018, 05:57

Are you sure, that you choose the right 'trains' folder in the Browse meny, when starting the TSRE5 consist editor.

Regards Claus

**stlsf4003** · 11-21-2018, 15:47

I just chose the folder that the route and it's rolling stock where installed to.
Open Rails Train Simulator- ZZ.

And just for reference, heres what i'm dealing with.

zz loco.jpg
One of the engines from the Zig Zag pack.

nsw loco.jpg
An Engine I picked up From Coals to Newcastle.

**crstagg** · 11-21-2018, 17:45

Also found that TSRE-CE will not display a graphic of the locos that came with this route. Also notice that TSRE-CE does not display any data below the space for the graphic except for the item name, file name, and folder name.

Used ConBuilder to access this Trainset folder. ConBuilder gave startup errors for every one of these locos and did not load them. Error given was that the Wagon Line did not match the filename. The convention for this field has been that it is exactly the same as the filename since 2001. The reason is MSTS stores the Wagon and Engine sections of ENG files in separate locations and uses the Engine and Wagon lines to create the locos. Changing the Wagon line to match the filename resulted in TSRE-CE properly displaying the graphic and the data information.

ConBuilder also reported that these ENG files are missing the Second Wagon line (the one that goes in the Engine section of ENG files). This will not affect either ORTS nor the TSRE-CE, but it will prohibit using these ENGs in MSTS and in Consist Editors such as ConBuilder and the MSTS CE.

**stlsf4003** · 11-21-2018, 18:18

Originally posted by crstagg

Also found that TSRE-CE will not display a graphic of the locos that came with this route. Also notice that TSRE-CE does not display any data below the space for the graphic except for the item name, file name, and folder name.

Used ConBuilder to access this Trainset folder. ConBuilder gave startup errors for every one of these locos and did not load them. Error given was that the Wagon Line did not match the filename. The convention for this field has been that it is exactly the same as the filename since 2001. The reason is MSTS stores the Wagon and Engine sections of ENG files in separate locations and uses the Engine and Wagon lines to create the locos. Changing the Wagon line to match the filename resulted in TSRE-CE properly displaying the graphic and the data information.

ConBuilder also reported that these ENG files are missing the Second Wagon line (the one that goes in the Engine section of ENG files). This will not affect either ORTS nor the TSRE-CE, but it will prohibit using these ENGs in MSTS and in Consist Editors such as ConBuilder and the MSTS CE.

So what i'm getting out of this is to go into the .ENG file of all equipment that'snot showing up in TSRE-CE and changing one line in said file?

Can't say i'v ever done that before.

You think you could walk me through it?

**crstagg** · 11-21-2018, 20:19

Originally posted by stlsf4003

So what i'm getting out of this is to go into the .ENG file of all equipment that'snot showing up in TSRE-CE and changing one line in said file?

Can't say i'v ever done that before.

You think you could walk me through it?

AYSM

2 years experience with MSTS?ORTS and you have never edited an ENG file?

It appears to be just the ENGs.
Step by Step:
Turn on PC.
Open the Windows Explorer program. (Some call it File Explorer)
Locate the folder where you installed the ZZ route. Mine is in A:\Open Rails Train Simulator - ZZ.
Open it. (i.e. double click on the folder icon.)
Open the Trains Folder. (i.e. double left click on the folder icon.)

Open the TrainSet Folder. (i.e. double left click on the folder icon.)

Open the AU_NSW_1905-Locos folder. (i.e. double left click on the folder icon.)

For my example I will use the file 1905-B319.eng as I have already edited my 1905-A115.eng file.

Open the file with a Unicode editor (Assuming you are using Win 7 or 10 Either Notepad or Wordpad will do.)
To open the file you could double left click, but you probably have never opened and ENG and do not have a program associated with ENG files. So you can instead right click one on the file and then locate "Open With" and select that and a small window will open saying "Unable to find a program to open the file with 3 choices. Choose "Search through Windows" and click the Search button. Another window will open with either a list of apps or asking to look in the Windows Store, If you get the short list click on the words "More Apps" and a longer list will appear. Locate NotePad or WordPad and choose either.
Once the file is open Locate the Wagon line.
It will almost always be the third line (Second line will be blank.
For the file 1905-B319.eng you will find:
"Wagon ( 1905-B319 2-6-0 Saturated Locomotive with Tender"
Place you cursor at the end of the line and delete the " 2-6-0 Saturated Locomotive with Tender"
Leaving "Wagon ( 1905-B319" (Note there is no closing paren.)
Now click on "File" at the top menu then choose "Save"
Close the program (NotePad or WordPad)
Now repeat for the next ENG file.

**steamer_ctn** · 11-21-2018, 23:52

It is good to receive feedback, even as in this instance where it is identifying an issue.

The ZZ route was mainly developed for the tutorial activities, so sadly whilst this appears to be an obvious mistake, it is always difficult to test all the potential variations of how files will be used, especially when the testing group is relatively small.

So thanks to the larger community "testing group" for identifying this issue and providing some work arounds in the short term.

The ZZ download will be adjusted to correct this issue, and take into account other feedback received in regard to the tutorial activities in the foreseeable future.

Thanks

**crstagg** · 11-22-2018, 12:57

Another problem found with these locos:
For 1905-C44.eng remove the 85 spaces before the data in line #1.

**lineman** · 11-22-2018, 13:24

1905-S654.eng file also needs an 'is tender required ()' statement or it shows no fuel or water in the cabview upon loading.

**crstagg** · 11-22-2018, 18:09

Well it seems like about half of the WAG files have the same problem with their Wagon line as I posted about the ENG files in post #4 above.

I believe I shall wait on the fix to do any more with this route.

**stlsf4003** · 11-22-2018, 22:09

Thanks for the Help Charles!

The engines show up now but as you noted, there's a few pieces of rolling stock that won't show up as well, including the Tenders.

Is there a way to open the .WAG file and edit it like a .ENG file?

**crstagg** · 11-22-2018, 23:17

Same.

**steamer_ctn** · 11-22-2018, 23:37

Originally posted by lineman

1905-S654.eng file also needs an 'is tender required ()' statement or it shows no fuel or water in the cabview upon loading.

Can you please provide more detail as to the problem that you are experiencing. It appears that the installer copy of the file does have the "IsTenderRequired" statement.

**crstagg** · 11-23-2018, 08:52

Originally posted by steamer_ctn

Can you please provide more detail as to the problem that you are experiencing. It appears that the installer copy of the file does have the "IsTenderRequired" statement.

Confirmed. Line #752. IsTenderRequired ( 0 ) Comment ( ( 1 ) Yes, ( 0 ) No )

**steamer_ctn** · 11-25-2018, 00:43

ZZ v1.3b has been uploaded.

This should correct the lack of visibility in TSRE consist editor.