OR fails to open

**slipperman** · 08-18-2018, 07:36

Hi Peter,
It's unlikely that applying the AMD BugFix would have that sort of effect on Open Rails. You say you copied the TDB file from your Win 7 PC - are you sure you copied all the other files for the route?

... and if MSTS still doesn't run, then I suggest that you haven't applied the fix correctly.

Cheers,
Ged

**ragtimer** · 08-18-2018, 15:15

It is impossible to follow the instructions,because until the download is installed,there is nowhere to put thenew file.I installed the thing first,then installed the bug fix...this is hopeless.
Why do MS and AMD change things around and make life impossible?

**slipperman** · 08-19-2018, 03:21

Hi Peter,
If you follow the instructions exactly, you will not have a problem - I know, because I've done it more than once with different driver versions !!

They don't make life impossible, just more of a challenge, which, I'm pleased to see clever people, like Jack Fuste, are more than up to!

Cheers,
Ged

**ragtimer** · 08-19-2018, 11:18

[QUOTE=slipperman;1938303]Hi Peter,
It's unlikely that applying the AMD BugFix would have that sort of effect on Open Rails. You say you copied the TDB file from your Win 7 PC - are you sure you copied all the other files for the route?

... and if MSTS still doesn't run, then I suggest that you haven't applied the fix correctly.
That was the last thing I did on the computer before I had the problem with OR.Nothing else was changed.
Just have to give up running trains on this heap of junk.It is OK for you who are au fait with playing with files but it really does not happen for me.Yes some may be clever with computers but we cannot all be good at everything.
I shall not be contacting you for help again Ged,I do not find your remarks helpful or kind.

**slipperman** · 08-19-2018, 13:17

Hi Peter,
I'm sorry you feel that way, but it's your choice.

You don't have to be clever with computers to follow instructions! If you find any part of them difficult to understand, just ask, but please give us full details. Comments like "it doesn't work" don't mean anything!

Also, you said :

The TDB is OK,copied over the file from the Win 7 machine.

but you still haven't answered my question - "are you sure you copied all the other files for the route?"

Cheers,
Ged

**ragtimer** · 08-19-2018, 13:29

It mentioned only the TDB.I have to assume that is where the problem is.I cannot second guess it.It really does not matter,I have no intention of using OR for the reasons I have aired in other threads.I see now that all the stock used is going to have to be altered to make it work realistically.MSTS does this already if one gets the brake force and brake timing correct as I have also stated elsewhere.My MSTS trains work well within what I would expect in the real world,having driven the same trains on the same route in the real world.

**Vince** · 08-19-2018, 14:25

" . . . . I have no intention of using OR for the reasons I have aired in other threads.I see now that all the stock used is going to have to be altered to make it work realistically.MSTS does this already if one gets the brake force and brake timing correct as I have also stated elsewhere. . . . . "

Please remember that MTS did not accurately simulate train physics when it was first released either! What did you do then?
You were NOT able to work with Microsoft because they didn't care about what you thought
You worked with the community to make it right,

Today you have Open Rails, a simulator MUCH better suited to current systems and the community is STILL HERE!!!

But the huge difference is this time the improvement and development of Open Rails is part of that community, where you can now take an active part in really developing the new simulator.
Microsoft dumped you an I and the community as soon as we coughed up the $$ for MSTS, then issued one lousy and flawed update (the bad SD40.eng file) and didn't give a crap for you or anyone else.

With the proper tweaks and fixes (all developed by the community btw) applied Open Rails is already miles better than MSTS ever was.
Remember in MSTS you still cannot load every trackside yard and siding with loose consists? Have you ever tried that? I did on the Settle and Carlisle (Europe1) Route in 2001 when I first got MSTS. It instantly crashed the sim.

Today in Open Rails I'm running a test activity on the new PRR_EAST_REG-2 with every yard and siding visible from the players train filled to capacity with drivable consists. No fake strings to load yards needed.
I originally did this as sort of a test to see just how much OR could handle, kind of a 'stress test'. Well . . . no problem at all.
I added more than 50 AI traffic trains running at the same time and OR performs without a hiccup!
Making activities?
How about you can place a reverse point as close as you want to a switch point? How about you can start AI traffic without regard to how many 'signal blocks' it has to run in order for it to perform correctly?
How about you can test activities in Autopilot mode? Switching activities!
There is an activity on my released LIRR that runs a ratty ol' Geep that picks up freight cars at 10 different sinings and delivers them to a yard 15 mile away . . . and it will run entirely in Autopilot Mode . . . a HUGE improvement when it comes to testing activities.

And now due to some Open Rails teething pains you reject it? Given the history of MSTS I find your attitude astounding.
You're missing the wonderful opportunity to get in on the actual development of this wonderful new Sim. And with MSTS, Microsoft said 'screw you! We got your money so don't bother us.'

And the new TSRE Route editor?
I can't say enough positive things about it. My first try produced a one tile route that while not DEM'd was running trains in just twenty (20) minutes!
An entire route with scenery, roads, signals car spawners.
Try doing that with the MSTS Route Editor!
All the Utility programs you used with the MSTS editor are built in to TSRE. Yes, you can use a building to flatten the terrain. (or any object for that matter) (ahem . .. some work better that others . .

regards,

**ragtimer** · 08-20-2018, 00:34

OR will open the default routes but none of the addons.However,I cannot get the brakes on some engines to release,so again no use.

**ragtimer** · 08-20-2018, 02:16

I am sorry to say that I do not have the confidence to build a route but I have modified many of mine by substituting trees,terrtex,textures etc to give (in my opinion) a better appearance.I have been following the thread about US tracks for the Scenic sub and quite frankly,the last few posts are way over my head.
I am as angry with MS (and AMD) as you are and my thoughts about both of them are not printable in this forum,but in my view those in charge of OR are trying to make it too complicated.Why not keep (for instance) the same cam views as MSTS I find having to use 3 keys to get the view I want too complicated.They are forgetting the KISS principle.
The fact remains,that for just driving trains ( including shunting if that is your thing) MSTS is fine for me.In the RW,if you work a train it is almost always already formed up,you just need to climb aboard,do a brake test and go (when authorised!).

**ragtimer** · 08-21-2018, 13:41

This is most bizarre.I did manage to run OR on the 10 machine which then decided it did not want to run it.The OR support team stated that routes other than the default routes need installation of X tracks....for a UK finescale route.Followed the advice and it now runs;but I am still not happy with it but it was nice to discover what the problem was....but why did it run before ?
I am happy with MSTS,others prefer OR so we will just have to agree to disagree but you will note I have made no disparaging remarks about OR converts,only about the sim; being more polite than some.

**R. Steele** · 08-21-2018, 14:42

Ya know, ragtimer, you should run the sim that provides you with the best experience and stimulation. I never have understood all the bickering ( and I suppose to judge myself honestly -- have engaged in myself...but try to refrain from) about which sim is the best or whatever. We are all simply having a grand ole time playing with v-scale trains.

You should, however, be patient with slipperman. Ged is among the most helpful, knowledgeable and patient folks on the forum.
Really, he is honestly trying to help you discover the cause of the problem and how to best fix it.

In any event, enjoy yourself running around in the CLASSIC, LEGENDARY, Packard?, Stutz Bearcat? of Train Sims.
(Antique car reference made in only the most respectful and best intentioned way - I love to look at the old cars )

**ragtimer** · 08-21-2018, 22:53

Thank you Gerry,yes ,same as you I will run what I want especially on the UK preserved routes where poetic licence rules. and then go back to modern stuff which I have worked or ridden on in the RW.I do not like to make personal remarks on the forums or indeed in real life but these computer things really exasperate me where the "new" is (in my opinion) worse than the "old".I have to say that Ged's software to open packaged activities is just great.