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  • necrails
    Senior Member
    • Jul 2003
    • 152
    • Fanwood, N, Union.

    #1

    PRR Eastern Division and Open Rails

    I have the route installed and operating under open rails but have experienced problems getting locomotives to move. A request on the Columbus Locomotive works forum has remained unanswered for some time so i thought i would try here. The stock atlantic city activity will not leave the station. Brakes release, direction is set, throttle moves up but the locomotive refuses to move. The same is true for an activity originating in sunnyside Yard, the GG-1 gets a little ways down the track and then all throttle response vanishes. Is this something that is a problem with the route itself, the locomotive setting behind the scenes, open rails or something else? Since I have an AMD processor I cannot try to replicate the problem in MSTS. The locomotive response seems to be limited to PRR Eastern. Blue Comet, NEC 4.0 and surfliner all run well under OR. What am I missing?
  • baldwin
    6000 Post Veteran


    • Nov 1999
    • 6358
    • Chippenham, Wiltshire, UK.
    • ORTS

    #2
    No problem with the route, or with the GG-1 on The Broadway Limited. If memory serves right, there used to be a problem with them in MSTS, will have to do a lot of digging to find out what the fix was. They used to start moving, roll down a grade, then coast to a stop with the throttle on.
    Beer is not a matter of life or death, it is much more serious than that.

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    • necrails
      Senior Member
      • Jul 2003
      • 152
      • Fanwood, N, Union.

      #3
      Appreciate the response, I hope there is a fix. I agree with your theory of beer, tonight is beer night at the bike shop.

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      • jonpd
        Senior Member
        • Oct 2008
        • 534
        • Lubec ME USA

        #4
        I found that with routes/activities that use electric traction, I had to hit the 'P' key (raise pantograph) before anything would move. Even on 3rd rail routes such as Fred Barbieri's NYC Subway routes. There the P key closes/opens the train doors. But the train would not move without it.

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        • MMSS
          Senior Member

          • Aug 2009
          • 842
          • Somewhere in the swamps of Jersey (NJ)
          • MSOR

          #5
          This happened to me when I first ran the PRR-ER years ago with Open Rails. The fix for me is to make sure the proper .BIN is installed. I remember my GG1 couldn't leave Sunnyside Yard without it.
          - Mark -

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          • Vince
            6500 Post Veteran

            • Nov 1999
            • 6961
            • Mohave

            #6
            Originally posted by MMSS
            This happened to me when I first ran the PRR-ER years ago with Open Rails. The fix for me is to make sure the proper .BIN is installed. I remember my GG1 couldn't leave Sunnyside Yard without it.
            Just a heads up: MSTS Bin has nothing to do with Open Rails.

            It's simply an issue of preparing an electric loco for departure and not knowing how to do so.
            Power first! Raise the pan.
            I see folks unable to operate OR engines because they assume (that word again!) OR operates as MSTS does. Sorry but it does not.
            There WAS a electric loco issue with MSTS Bin. The 'Reset' button ( the 'Z' key) had to be operated for the loco to move.
            It's a completely different issue with OR . . . operator error.

            regards,
            ............Vince ..............
            ...... Author NECv4 .......
            .... LIRR BUILD PHOTOS ....
            ...... Eschew Obsfucation ......

            On the The Statue of Liberty in New York Harbor there is a Tablet. On it is written:
            "Give me your tired, your poor, your huddled masses yearning to breathe free,
            the wretched refuse of your teeming shore, send these, the homeless, tempest-tossed to me,
            I lift my lamp beside the golden door!"

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            • MMSS
              Senior Member

              • Aug 2009
              • 842
              • Somewhere in the swamps of Jersey (NJ)
              • MSOR

              #7
              Originally posted by Vince
              Just a heads up: MSTS Bin has nothing to do with Open Rails.It's simply an issue of preparing an electric loco for departure and not knowing how to do so. Power first! Raise the pan.
              Pardon my senility Vince, I must have been thinking MSTS when it happened. See what happens when you miss your meds But I don't remember a stock Atlantic City activity for the PPR-ER using a GG1 as mentioned in the 1st post here. And I think the only path to/from AC was to Communipaw in Jersey City. I could stand corrected. But I know there is no direct NYC to AC either because there is no Bordentown Secondary on the PRR-ER that could bring you into Pavonia Yard for an engine change to steam/diesel. But yes if you don't raise the pan "P" on whatever electric you are running, you will be sitting a while until you do.
              - Mark -

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              • necrails
                Senior Member
                • Jul 2003
                • 152
                • Fanwood, N, Union.

                #8
                Just revisited this thread, with regards to the operator error comment, yes the pantograph was raised. There are two different issues i have observed, one is the gg-1 moves along nicely and then somewhere outside of sunnyside yard on the way to penn station it just glides to a stop. So it moves then it doesn't. Similar issue happens in the Atlantic City terminal. The diesel loco just will not move. Sequence of events are, release brakes, set direction, increase throttle and watch the speed move to about 1 mph. Interesting observation is swapping out the loco with another does not replicate the problem. Problem seems to be related to the PRR diesel.

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                • Vince
                  6500 Post Veteran

                  • Nov 1999
                  • 6961
                  • Mohave

                  #9
                  Originally posted by necrails
                  Just revisited this thread, with regards to the operator error comment, yes the pantograph was raised. There are two different issues i have observed, one is the gg-1 moves along nicely and then somewhere outside of sunnyside yard on the way to penn station it just glides to a stop. So it moves then it doesn't. Similar issue happens in the Atlantic City terminal. The diesel loco just will not move. Sequence of events are, release brakes, set direction, increase throttle and watch the speed move to about 1 mph. Interesting observation is swapping out the loco with another does not replicate the problem. Problem seems to be related to the PRR diesel.
                  [added after post]
                  I just noticed this last comment on the PRR diesel: Yes, there is a problem and I have not got around to fixing it but it's the engine file that is broken somewhere.
                  The engine as reported by the HUD screens is developing two (2) horsepower at full throttle! Have a look at the .ENG file and maybe you can come up with a fix as I'm eyeball deep into the PRR rebuild at the moment.

                  + Be sure to observe the HUD-Brake screen for a clue here. Fact is you should look through all the HUD screens to check for problems. Lots of good data here; more than you ever were provided by microsoft/kuju. Also look through the Open Rails log. If you are experiencing problems you should have LOGGING checked on the OR opening screen. The log will be placed on your desktop at the end of a session and will be overwritten with each new session of running Open Rails. Enjoy!

                  regards,
                  Last edited by Vince; 03-16-2018, 14:07.
                  ............Vince ..............
                  ...... Author NECv4 .......
                  .... LIRR BUILD PHOTOS ....
                  ...... Eschew Obsfucation ......

                  On the The Statue of Liberty in New York Harbor there is a Tablet. On it is written:
                  "Give me your tired, your poor, your huddled masses yearning to breathe free,
                  the wretched refuse of your teeming shore, send these, the homeless, tempest-tossed to me,
                  I lift my lamp beside the golden door!"

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                  • necrails
                    Senior Member
                    • Jul 2003
                    • 152
                    • Fanwood, N, Union.

                    #10
                    Vince, copy that, still re-learning some old things, OR offers a bit more for sure. Just found out the HUD has three different detail screens. Come from not reading the manual and just diving in.

                    Appreciate the response, Henry

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